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    Is America going to be bankrupt in 10 years?

    Do you believe the nation is going to get its act together to avoid these dire projections?

    Deficit Projected To Swell Beyond Earlier Estimates
    CBO Expects Trillions More in Borrowing

    By Lori Montgomery
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Saturday, March 21, 2009; A01

    President Obama's ambitious plans to cut middle-class taxes, overhaul health care and expand access to college would require massive borrowing over the next decade, leaving the nation mired far deeper in debt than the White House previously estimated, congressional budget analysts said yesterday.

    In the first independent analysis of Obama's budget proposal, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office concluded that Obama's policies would cause government spending to swell above historic levels even after costly programs to ease the recession and stabilize the nation's financial system have ended.

    Tax collections, meanwhile, would lag well behind spending, producing huge annual budget deficits that would force the nation to borrow nearly $9.3 trillion over the next decade -- $2.3 trillion more than the president predicted when he unveiled his budget request just one month ago.

    Although Obama would come close to meeting his goal of cutting in half the deficit he inherited by the end of his first term, the CBO predicts that deficits under his policies would exceed 4 percent of the overall economy over the next 10 years, a level White House budget director Peter R. Orszag yesterday acknowledged would "not be sustainable."

    The result, according to the CBO, would be an ever-expanding national debt that would exceed 82 percent of the overall economy by 2019 -- double last year's level -- and threaten the nation's financial stability.

    "This clearly creates a scenario where the country's going to go bankrupt. It's almost that simple," said Sen. Judd Gregg (N.H.), the senior Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, who briefly considered joining the Obama administration as commerce secretary. "One would hope these numbers would wake somebody up," Gregg said.

    Orszag defended the president's agenda in a conference call with reporters, noting that the forecast of bigger deficits and mounting debt is largely because of the CBO's view that the recession will be more severe and the recovery more tepid than the White House expects.

    The White House's economic assumptions have come under fire for being too optimistic: Over the next decade, the administration projects that the economy will grow at an average annual rate of 2.8 percent, rosier than forecasts by the CBO (2.5 percent) and the Blue Chip economic consensus (2.3 percent).

    Orszag, who served as CBO director before joining the Obama administration, also argued that long-term budget estimates are notoriously uncertain. He noted that the CBO's projections leave open the possibility that the government could record a small surplus, rather than a $750 billion deficit, after five years.

    In a speech to state legislators at the White House yesterday, Obama said his budget "makes hard choices about where to save and where to spend."

    But he said: "What we will not cut are investments that will lead to real growth and prosperity over the long term. That's why our budget makes a historic commitment to comprehensive health-care reform. That's why it enhances America's competitiveness by reducing our dependence on foreign oil and building on a clean-energy economy. And that's why it makes a down payment on a complete and competitive education for every child in America, from the cradle up through the time that they get a career."

    The CBO is the official scorekeeper for budgeting on Capitol Hill, and the new report could complicate efforts to win congressional approval for Obama's $3.6 trillion request for the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1. While Obama had predicted a deficit of nearly $1.2 trillion for 2010, the CBO puts next year's budget gap at nearly $1.4 trillion. And this year's deficit is now projected to soar past $1.8 trillion, or 13 percent of the economy -- the deepest well of red ink since the end of World War II.

    Deteriorating economic conditions are a major cause of the darkening fiscal picture, according to the CBO. But other factors also are weighing heavily on the budget this year and next. For example, the $700 billion financial-system bailout is now expected to cost taxpayers at least $350 billion, by CBO estimates, because the investments the Treasury Department has made in banks and other financial institutions are worth considerably less than when the bailout was approved. In addition, Obama proposes to use a portion of the money to buy down troubled mortgages, a program that will provide no return to the taxpayer.

    The CBO's estimates assume that the Treasury will win approval to spend another $500 billion on the bailout, at an ultimate cost to taxpayers of $250 billion.

    The government takeover of mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is also proving more costly than expected, the CBO reports. On the bright side, however, the office projects that it will cost taxpayers less to cover deposits at failed banks than previously projected because federal officials recently increased insurance premiums.

    Democratic budget leaders are putting the finishing touches on their versions of Obama's spending plan and hope to bring them to a vote in the House and Senate in the next two weeks. Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, said he has already made "lots of adjustments" that will slice billions from Obama's spending proposals, generating smaller deficits.

    "We're requiring more things to be paid for and to have tough spending discipline. It's just got to be done," said Conrad, who expects to unveil an outline of his budget proposal Tuesday.

    But Conrad and House Budget Committee Chairman John M. Spratt Jr. (D-S.C.) said they will preserve Obama's priorities. "We will follow President Obama's lead," Spratt said, "and produce a budget that cuts the deficit in half over the next four years but still invests in areas critical to our future such as energy, education and health care."

    Orszag said such changes are a common part of the budget process. "No one had any expectation they would take our budget, Xerox it and vote on it," he said. "I am confident that what will come out of the committees will lead to a fiscally sustainable path."

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    All I have to say is, if it happens, the American people ASKED FOR IT. By asked for it, I mean the election of resp, senators, and presidents who continuously spend their hard earned tax dollars like a teenage girl in a clothing store with daddy's credit card.


    But Conrad and House Budget Committee Chairman John M. Spratt Jr. (D-S.C.) said they will preserve Obama's priorities. "We will follow President Obama's lead," Spratt said, "and produce a budget that cuts the deficit in half over the next four years but still invests in areas critical to our future such as energy, education and health care."

    Secondly, and this has always boggled my mind, how does spending more money, which we dont have, cut the deficit in half??
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    LMAO we won't be bankrupt at all.

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    how do you figure? is it impossible to imagine that the US govt wont have assets to pay for the crap they approve? Is it an impossiblity that foreign banks or governments would refuse to lend money to the USofA? Is it impossible to imagine that the government will bleed the tax base dry in order to fund itself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
    LMAO we won't be bankrupt at all.
    Is that more of the Obama magic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by citanon View Post
    Is that more of the Obama magic?
    LOL
    Yeah and it's the programs Obama's proposing that will make it happen i suppose right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
    LOL
    Yeah and it's the programs Obama's proposing that will make it happen i suppose right?
    And the ones from W and the things we are not reforming, and the growing cost of Medicare and Social Security and....

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    The world uses Dollars as reserve. The US just had to add more printing facilities. No wonder some countries want to think about a new reserve currency. So long as dollar remains the currency of trade and reserve, the US will not go bankrupt.

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    Right. Nations don't go bankrupt. They just print more money if need be. I'd be more worried about hyper-inflation down the road than bankruptcy. That would be good news for people with mortgages and other debts, but bad news for people with cash in their mattresses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD_333 View Post
    Right. Nations don't go bankrupt. They just print more money if need be. I'd be more worried about hyper-inflation down the road than bankruptcy. That would be good news for people with mortgages and other debts, but bad news for people with cash in their mattresses.
    Or equity investments. I realize that we would not become bankrupt in the private individual sense, but the practical effects of a massive devaluation of US currency would lead to consequences that are just as dire. This would include the abandonment of US currency as the international standard, inability to finance further debt, massive losses in equity investments and capital flight towards non-inflationary assets, long term stagnation of the US economy leading to a real depression and ultimately, greatly reduced living standard for most Americans. For the purposes of this poll, I think we can consider this outcome equivalent to bankruptcy.

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    lol

    No.

    Why and how can a lone superpower go bankrupt?

    I'm pretty sure there's many unethical things the US can do to make the green

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    I think it's pretty obvious taxes will be going back to the Level they were in 2000 That alone provides a huge influx of cash. Along with that I'd bet the amount of income subject to the SS tax will rise or some sliding scale on benefits will be adapted to pay back the fund the trillions we have borrowed. If nothing else Americans are very adaptive when forced to be. Obviously, the defecit is unsustainable but, the problem isn't new programs it's the continuation of old ones. I can't see there being more will to continue the taxcuts for the rich than cut medicare or ss so would bet on taxes. A bit of inflation wouldn't hurt either. I have np with the idea of a 5 or 6 percent rate for a few years. It isn't enough to overcome the desire for dollars because of safety and would cut the value of the debt in relation to our economy w/o crippling it.
    As much as some here would rather see benefit cuts ss and medicare w/o savings isn't much beyond subsistance now and too many retirees have next to no savings and too many lost to much last year for that option to be anything but political suicide because of public backlash

    As a country we got spoiled this decade. We borrowed money to give taxcuts, gave taxcuts during what is turning out to be our longest war, used our houses to pay for vacations and cars. There are too many people who think they can have their bread and eat it. The so called reforms of SS would of lined bankers pockets not fixxed the problem. We are not ready for the choice between cuts and taxes but I am confident we will get there just as we did in the late 90s. I would imagine any resurgent republican party will dump the christians goverment mandated morality and get some fiscal sanity not just scream how evil govt is, fight science and preach taxcuts as the soloution for all problems and that's when I will start voting republican again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maximusslade View Post
    how do you figure? is it impossible to imagine that the US govt wont have assets to pay for the crap they approve? Is it an impossiblity that foreign banks or governments would refuse to lend money to the USofA? Is it impossible to imagine that the government will bleed the tax base dry in order to fund itself?
    They don't lend money. They Buy Debt as a security, which is backed by a security, that being the U.S Govt, invariably being the U.S Economy & Taxpayer.

    The dept is of course hurting ones ability to help it's own people to aspire to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness however... isn't that the mantra? Then again the U.S Govt is the Ostrich with it's head in the sand getting an almighty boot up the ass multiple times and refusing to pull it's head out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by citanon View Post
    Or equity investments. I realize that we would not become bankrupt in the private individual sense, but the practical effects of a massive devaluation of US currency would lead to consequences that are just as dire. This would include the abandonment of US currency as the international standard, inability to finance further debt, massive losses in equity investments and capital flight towards non-inflationary assets, long term stagnation of the US economy leading to a real depression and ultimately, greatly reduced living standard for most Americans. For the purposes of this poll, I think we can consider this outcome equivalent to bankruptcy.
    Which leads to all sorts of practical questions, e.g., if not the dollar which currency could serve as an interantional currency?

    Could it be that something bigger is happening, some fundamental change on the order of the industrial revolution?

    Econmic growth has always had rewards and costs. We pay enormous attention to growth. How is the GDP faring, etc. We have no comparbale measure to express depletion of natural resources, and we tend to dismiss those who warn us about it as crackpots or doomsayers.

    The countries with the highest standard of living seem to be sucking on a piece of candy not realizing that someday it'll dissolve.

    In a way the financial meltdown we're experiencing was due not so much because of the mania for mortgage-backed securities, but because the capital markets, needing to climb ever higher, ran out of ladder and grabbed for a rung that wasn't there.

    So we'll go back a ways and start over. Progress is relative. Gain is measured from where you're at, not from where you were when you fell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yusuf View Post
    The world uses Dollars as reserve. The US just had to add more printing facilities. No wonder some countries want to think about a new reserve currency. So long as dollar remains the currency of trade and reserve, the US will not go bankrupt.
    Right.

    When that happens, the dollar will cease to be the world reserve and the dollars strength will decrease and everything from oil and raw materials too electronic chips will increase ten-fold while the GINI index remains the same.

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