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    The world better hope not. We owe money to EVERYBODY. So if we go, you go.
    You know JJ, Him could do it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesman View Post
    They are wrong about every single thing and in every way about what they believe. The world doesn't work according to their notions, and it never will.


    Actually, they are DEFINITELY bad for the country, and they always have been. Historically provable fact. They're dangerous to the country's well-being, and a threat to its continued existence.


    If you can believe that, you haven't any idea why it is that Communism is inherently evil, and most definitely NOT a wonderful idea.

    And ANY idea that has proven itself unworkable, and leads to the scale of human suffering that is unmatched throughout all of human history is not, I submit, any kind of 'wonderful'.

    Look up 'reality' in your Funk and Wagnall's. It may provide a clue about why something that is such an undisputed failure isn't really to be admired at any level as an idea. It's more to be described as the single most evil theory yet devised about how to organize a society.

    Jesus. Why does anybody even have to tell you this?
    Bluesman, explain to me what is inherently evil about the idea of a society with no social class, no state, and total equality? There is nothing that can be explained. Beliefs are hardly inherently evil, it is people that make them that way. Hitler used Nietzsche's philosophical writings towards his own end, Same with Stalin (and to a lesser degree Lenin) and Marx. How many tinpot dictators state they are a Democracy today when they clearly aren't? Does this make Democracy an evil idea?

    Failure to implement does not equal a failed idea. There are discarded ideas, but no 'failed' ideas, simply being out there gives them meaning. Good ideas exist, bad ideas exist, discarded ideas exist, but not failed ideas.

    Well if I was to think of a failed idea, I guess it would be an idea that doesn't exist in any known form today, so if there is one I don't believe anyone knows of it by virtue of its very non-existance.

    Closest I could think of with regards to an inherently evil idea is the idea of human sacrifice to the gods, but even that does not entail sacrifice for the sake of sacrifice itself, but to please the 'gods', and probably prevent them from causing calamities, so even that can't be called inherently evil, though a very bad idea indeed.

    Would you consider Islam inherently evil with all the recent conflict? Or do you attribute it to those who ruthlessly use it to their own ends?

    PS. apologize if this comes out a bit disjointed, kind of thought as I went.
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    diablo,

    Bluesman, explain to me what is inherently evil about the idea of a society with no social class, no state, and total equality?
    the inherent evil in communism is that it enforces conformity. a genius or a hard worker gets treated no differently than a slacker or a fool- in fact, worse, because the fruits of their labor are taken away. in short, people are not allowed to be people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    diablo,



    the inherent evil in communism is that it enforces conformity. a genius or a hard worker gets treated no differently than a slacker or a fool- in fact, worse, because the fruits of their labor are taken away. in short, people are not allowed to be people.
    Just so, and there's a lot more to it, besides that.

    'From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.'

    PURE. EVIL.

    It destroys humanity, in that it turns everybody into beggars. It forces each man to seek what he needs from the general fund or storehouse. If there is a finite quantity of some good or commodity or service (and there always is, and always will be), then each person has to plead for his share. Can you imagine what that does to self-respect and dignity?
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    "The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesman View Post
    Ahh yes doing nothing and tightening the money supply was the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diablo49 View Post
    Bluesman, explain to me what is inherently evil about the idea of a society with no social class, no state, and total equality?
    Because it is inhuman.
    "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
    Ahh yes doing nothing and tightening the money supply was the answer.
    Spending our way out of a recession, I see...
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    the inherent evil in communism is that it enforces conformity. a genius or a hard worker gets treated no differently than a slacker or a fool- in fact, worse, because the fruits of their labor are taken away. in short, people are not allowed to be people.
    Sounds like an American Union...

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    Quote Originally Posted by diablo49 View Post
    Bluesman, explain to me what is inherently evil about the idea of a society with no social class, no state, and total equality?
    Diablo:

    If I may offer my two cents. There is nothing inherently evil in the idea, as long as it isn't imposed on the members of the society.

    It would seem that that caveat makes it virtually impossible for a classless society to exist. The moment enforcement is set up to keep it classless, a ruling class is created.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    Spending our way out of a recession, I see...
    Reagan did and you thought it fine then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
    Reagan did and you thought it fine then.
    Not too good at history, is ya?
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