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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
    Hey we have had more than a few actors, sports str etc. Most thought them goofballs but hey someone voted for Jim Bunning too and more than once. Lets not forget Gopher from the loveboat
    If he would have strait up beat Coleman then so be it....
    But I don't believe that is the case here...I find nothing more corrosive to our political system in this country than someone stealing an election...we can afford to lose "faith" in a person...but to lose "faith" in the system and process, that doesn't bode well for any of us....makes us no better than a third world banana republic...whats next the assassination of opponents??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert W View Post
    If he would have strait up beat Coleman then so be it....
    But I don't believe that is the case here...I find nothing more corrosive to our political system in this country than someone stealing an election...we can afford to lose "faith" in a person...but to lose "faith" in the system and process, that doesn't bode well for any of us....makes us no better than a third world banana republic...whats next the assassination of opponents??
    Hey they had a recount mandated by law and he lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
    Hey they had a recount mandated by law and he lost.
    There are two sides to every coin...

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    robert w,

    starting to sound like a gore supporter now ain'tcha?
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    robert w,

    starting to sound like a gore supporter now ain'tcha?
    Bush-V-Gore...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert W View Post
    There are two sides to every coin...
    In elections those sides are winners and loosers and Coleman now can't win so wants the results tossed as I understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
    In elections those sides are winners and loosers and Coleman now can't win so wants the results tossed as I understand it.
    It is how the results were achieved that I have the problem with...not the "winner"

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    from nytimes
    n Minnesota, Another Blow to Coleman
    By ADAM NAGOURNEY
    ST. PAUL – A three-judge state panel Monday declared Al Franken, a Democrat, the victor in a Senate race here that has dragged Minnesota through prolonged litigation and recounts. The panel dismissed a challenge by Norm Coleman, the Republican who had held the seat, to a count that left the two men separated by 312 votes out of nearly 3 million cast.

    Lawyers for Mr. Coleman immediately announced that they would appeal the decision to the state’s highest court.

    The promise of additional litigation means that Minnesota could go without a second senator for weeks, and potentially months, before a victor is certified in the race.

    By any measure, this latest ruling – the latest in a string against Mr. Coleman – further diminishes his hopes of holding on to his seat. After a recount and seven weeks of testimony, the court ruled that Mr. Franken “is the party to the contest who received the number of votes legally cast in the 2008 United States Senate general election and is therefore entitled to the certificate of election.”

    Mr. Coleman’s counsel, Ben Ginsberg, asserted that the court decision mean that 4,000 disputed absentee ballots would not be counted. “For these reasons, we must appeal to the Minnesota Supreme Court so that no voter is left behind,” he said.

    Mr. Coleman has 10 days to file the challenge. In an interview before the ruling – which was widely expected to go against him, he made clear that he was already prepared to take the case to the Supreme Court. “At this point, we’re looking at the Supreme Court,” he said.

    The election must be certified by Gov. Tim Pawlenty, a Republican, and Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, a Democrat. Mr. Pawlenty, citing state law and earlier decisions by the case, said Monday he would not certify the results of the election at least until the state litigation process was completed.
    Further clouding the case is the prospect that should Mr. Coleman lose again in state Supreme Court, he would seek redress in federal courts.

    Aides to Mr. Franken heralded this latest court victory. They said there was no way that Mr. Coleman could make up the margin of votes by which he trailed
    My bet is once the State Supreme court rules against Coleman Franken will be seated. The RNC is flushing 2010 dollars for a Looser who might of ended up censured if He had won.

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    Separate and apart from the ongoing legal dispute over November’s election, the Minnesota Republican faces several unresolved investigations: a reported FBI probe into his dealings with Nasser Kazeminy, a friend and benefactor; a potential Senate Ethics Committee inquiry into his Capitol Hill living arrangements; a federal elections investigation into his use of campaign donations for legal expenses; and a possible state probe into his campaign’s handling of donors’ financial information on its website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
    from nytimes
    My bet is once the State Supreme court rules against Coleman Franken will be seated. The RNC is flushing 2010 dollars for a Looser who might of ended up censured if He had won.

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    I agree why fight so hard for a Looser when there is one so ready at hand? I'm sure the DNC paid well for this seat, let them have it, either it will bite them in the ass, or we're a bunch of asses for voting in the first place! Need I remind you that Bush stole the election?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pate View Post
    Need I remind you that Bush stole the election?
    No He didn't. In actuality it was a federal activist court interfering in a state run election that made that election happen.

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    Senator-select Franken, it has a ring to it.
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    I guess if Franken hadn't cheated and "found/printed" his winning votes like the old Daley machine in Chicago does, Coleman would have conceded.

    The same thing happened in the Washington state governor's race I believe about 6 years ago or so. The Democratic candidate lost the race but kept demanding a recount. After 4 recounts, the Dems "found/made" enough votes to win the election and she is still governor.

    Coleman wasn't even allowed to have a full recount of the contested ballots. I guess if all the ballots had been recounted he might have won. Can't have that can we. Recounts are only allowed when Dems are losing. You have the right to scream bloody murder about a recount only if your a Democrat otherwise just shut up and die. That's the Democratic Party way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
    No He didn't. In actuality it was a federal activist court interfering in a state run election that made that election happen.
    No it wasn't, it was a state Supreme Court interfering in a Federal election and violating its own states alws that needed to be stopped. Bush won by the law in place before the election- that was the law to be used. The Florida Supreme Court ignored this and thus put the vote of every non-Flordian Democrat in the country at risk. The Supreme Court was correct to step in and end this travesty.

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    Something current being the results are still in flux,

    From the Washington Examiner:
    Minnesota, the land of murky elections

    By: Jeff Davis, OpEd Contributor
    - | 6/2/09 5:53 AM
    Minnesota has long been known as the land of 10,000 lakes. Over the past several months, however, our state has also become known as the battleground of the hotly contested U.S. Senate election involving incumbent Republican Norm Coleman and his Democratic challenger, Al Franken. We can now add to our list of notorieties as being the state with out-of-balance election records.

    This past week, a group of citizens and state legislators filed a lawsuit against Minnesota Secretary of State Mark Ritchie and county election officials. The suit alleges that the officials violated state law by failing to post the record of who voted in the 2008 election by the statutory deadline and by failing to balance the number of recorded voters to the number of ballots.

    Seven months after the election, Minnesotans still don’t have a complete record of who voted in November 2008. State law requires all voter histories to be posted within 6 weeks following an election.

    At issue is a significant mismatch between the number of ballots reported in the official state canvassing board report of the 2008 election, and the number of corresponding voter histories in the statewide system.

    The day after the lawsuit was filed, Ritchie himself admitted that election records are still out of balance by 30,000 to 40,000 votes. He also said he hopes to eventually whittle the discrepancy down to around a 1,000 vote difference. Tell that to Coleman and Franken who are still battling it out in court over just a few hundred votes.

    Adding to the intrigue of this case is the fact that Ritchie’s predecessor, Mary Kiffmeyer states that she had put a process in place requiring counties to balance their election system records. She said it was her interpretation of the federal Help America Vote Act (HAVA) that compelled her to establish the procedure. It appears that Ritchie may have dismantled this process after taking over for Kiffmeyer.

    This story really began more than seven months ago, in October 2008 when a number of irregularities were discovered in Minnesota’s voter registration records; things like deceased people being on the voter rolls, convicted felons who had registered to vote from prison and non-existent voter addresses. Instead of investigating these issues, Ritchie decided to circle the wagons, claiming at a press conference that Minnesota has one of the best election systems in the nation.

    During this same time, ACORN was taking credit for registering more than 80,000 new voters in preparation for the 2008 election. Unlike other states that are now actively investigating and prosecuting ACORN for fraudulent election activity, Minnesota has done nothing. Allegations of wrong-doing were swiftly squashed by Minnesota’s ACORN-endorsed attorney general and Ritchie..

    Minnesota has some of the most liberal election laws in the nation. Registered voters are not required to provide any form of identification to vote. People can register on Election Day by simply providing a paper utility bill as proof of identity and residence. No utility bill? No problem – someone in the precinct can vouch for you and 14 other people.

    “Yeah, sure… I know these 15 people. What were your names again? Go ahead and let ‘em vote. I’ll vouch for ‘em.”

    Fair and transparent elections are a cornerstone of our republic. Accurate and timely recordkeeping is a prerequisite. How can you know if embezzlement is occurring at a bank if you don’t know how much money was in the vault to start with? No one seems interested in doing the job of investigating.

    From the Sioux, the name Minnesota translates to “muddy waters.” That never made much sense to me, because our sky-blue lakes and streams are generally crystal clear. Our election system has become anything but transparent, though. Rather than a crystal brook, it looks more like a dirty pond – the water is murky and offers a friendly environment for parasites. And that’s apparently just the way some Minnesota election officials would like to keep it.

    Jeff Davis is president of Minnesota Majority, a legislative watchdog group which promotes traditional values in public policy.
    Minnesota, the land of murky elections | OpEd Contributor | Washington Examiner

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    The counting is long over it's all in court and has been. The results of the count arent in flux and from the initial arguments Coleman's case is looking flimsy even before a republican appointed court. My guess is if Pawlenty ignores the court Franken will be seated anyway.

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