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    Update: Disapproving more and more everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    JAD,

    i suspect this will end up much like bush and GWOT-- it'll be much easier to judge the extent of these liberal tendencies a few years down the line. we'll be able to judge first the efficacy and second the supposed temporary aspect of the stimulus programs...as well as obama's own moves towards reducing entitlements.
    I am neutral as to the probable outcome of the stimulus and bank rescue effort. I can't feel it, and intellectually it's too complex for the average guy to see how it'll spin out. If success comes on Obama's watch, that's ok by me. If he's the savior, ok too. I just don't want to see a repeat of the FDR legacy where temporary measures lead to new, permanent social programs.

    As for entitlements, probably the best he can do is send them to Weightwatchers. That is, keep them from growing out of control. But ending any in his first term depends on how many votes he can afford to give up without losing the election. And then there's the dem-controlled Congress for him convince.
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    My fellow Americans. In this trying time of economic challenges and among calls from our president that we all need to sacrifice, I just want to say that I am so f-ing happy that he is having such a good time partying, spending tax-money and keeping the presidential fleet busy taxiing his children to and fro. What a guy!!

    WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House is the place to be on Wednesdays.
    Since the presidency changed hands less than six weeks ago, a burst of entertaining has taken hold of the iconic, white-columned home of America's head of state. Much of it comes on Wednesdays.

    The stately East Room, where portraits of George and Martha Washington adorn the walls, was transformed into a concert hall as President Barack Obama presented Stevie Wonder with the nation's highest award for pop music on Wednesday.

    A week before that, the foot-stomping sounds of Sweet Honey in the Rock, a female a cappella group, filled the East Room for a Black History Month program first lady Michelle Obama held for nearly 200 sixth- and seventh-graders from around the city.

    Cocktails were sipped during at least three such receptions to date, all held on Wednesdays.

    Bookending the midweek activity were a Super Bowl party for select Democratic and Republican lawmakers and a dinner for governors, the new administration's first black-tie affair. It was capped with a performance by the 1970s pop group Earth, Wind and Fire. And a conga line.

    The flurry of entertaining is in keeping with the Obamas' promise to make the White House a more open place for everyone.

    The governors' dinner was "a great kickoff of what we hope will be an atmosphere here in the White House that is welcoming and that reminds everybody that this is the people's house," Obama told the state chief executives after they had dined on Maryland crab, Wagyu beef, Nantucket scallops and citrus salad.

    "We are just temporary occupants. This is a place that belongs to the American people and we want to make sure that everybody understands it's open," he said.

    At the dinner in the State Dining Room, the Obamas looked comfortable, chatting and smiling with their guests. Afterward, they escorted the governors down the hall to the East Room, which had been arranged with few tables and chairs to encourage dancing to "September," "Boogie Wonderland" and other hits from a musical group Obama listened to growing up.

    The conga line formed after the media were escorted out and, apparently, after Obama had called it a night.

    "Thank you also for waiting until I had left before you started the conga line," the president told the governors the next morning. "I hear it was quite a spectacle."

    Some Obama guests say he immediately puts them at ease. He indulges them and serves cookies, too.

    "People like me felt comfortable in his presence," said Rep. Mike Honda, D-Calif., a self-described "poor country boy" who said he felt like a "freshman going to the senior prom" when he attended a White House reception for leaders of the congressional caucuses.

    "Sometimes when you're in the presence of the most powerful person in the world, in the most powerful democracy in the world ... I was in awe that I was comfortable," said Honda, chairman of the Asian Pacific American Caucus. "I think that's his style and how he grew up, who he is.

    "He's down to earth and engaging," Honda said.

    Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., was among those invited for the Super Bowl. He said Obama, an avid sports fan, joined his guests for most of the game between the Arizona Cardinals and ultimately triumphant Pittsburgh Steelers.

    "It wasn't a circumstance where he came in and said 'Hi' and then left," Franks said. "He actually stayed and watched the game."

    Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn, said Obama was very cordial, and he and the first lady made guests feel comfortable. The president talked to everyone before the game started, she said, including a 12-year-old boy who asked Obama where the bathroom was.

    "My favorite part was when he personally served us cookies—oatmeal raisin—when we were watching the game," she said.

    The gathering in the White House theater over hot dogs and hamburgers was one of several get-to-know-the-members events Obama held as he lobbied Congress to support his nearly $800 billion economic recovery package. His efforts produced no Republican votes in the House and just three in the Senate, but Franks said he still appreciated the Democratic president's efforts to reach out to the opposing party.

    "I think the value of social interaction like this is not so much that it co-opts anyone in any way. It certainly didn't in my case," said Franks, who described his conversation with Obama at the party as substantive. "I think it humanizes and personalizes opponents. We can diminish politics and try to work together for what's right for the country."

    Michelle Obama is doing her own entertaining, too. When her husband visited Canada last month, she organized a "girls' night" at the White House with secretaries, policymakers and popcorn for a screening of "He's Just Not that Into You," the first lady told People magazine.

    Obama played the role of "first fan" at the Wonder tribute, and opened up about his and his wife's common enjoyment of Wonder's music.

    "As Stevie knows, I'm a huge fan. And he has been a great supporter," Obama said before presenting the award-winning singer-songwriter with the Gershwin Prize for Popular Song from the Library of Congress.

    He said Wonder's songs "became the soundtrack of my youth" and that in them he "found peace and inspiration, especially in difficult times."

    Obama presented the medal to Wonder, then wrapped the singer in a bear hug. As the media were led out of the room, Wonder struck up "Signed, Sealed, Delivered I'm Yours," which was a staple of Obama's campaign rallies.
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    I really think my head is going to explode if I hear him tell me I need to sacrifice one damn thing more. Disapprove? Oh Yeah!!

    The Costs Of Obama’s Weekend Trip(s)
    We are usually pretty tolerant of expenditures by any President to travel like a world leader — but why is there such little talk about Mr. Obama having his Valentines date in Chicago?



    U.S. President Barack Obama waves as he boards Air Force One in Washington enroute to Chicago to spend the President’s Day holiday weekend with his family at their home there February 13, 2009.
    After knocking the CEO’s for their private jets and their taxpayer paid Las Vegas trip plans, and saying "the party is over" — Mr. Obama went to Illinois on Thursday.

    Fair enough. But he was back at the White House that night, to argue for the stimulus package.

    He then left again on Friday to go to back to Illinois. And he will presumably return to Washington on Tuesday, after the long weekend.

    We won’t even get into the irreversible damage that the expended carbon from so much to-ing and fro-ing will do to Mother Earth.

    We just wonder how much it is costing you and me, the US taxpayer.

    Luckily that guardian of the US Treasury, Henry Waxman, did ask for a study on the costs of Presidential travel back in March of 2006.

    (He was trying to get President Bush to reimburse the government for using AF1 for campaigning.)

    Here are some excerpts from that Congressional Report (a pdf file):

    THE COST OF PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE PRESIDENTIAL POLITICAL TRAVEL
    UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM — MINORITY STAFF
    SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS DIVISION
    MARCH 2006

    PREPARED FOR REP. HENRY A. WAXMAN

    … This report assumes that flight operating costs are $56,518 per hour for Air Force One . These figures are based on the per-hour cost figures cited by GAO for fiscal year 2000, adjusted for inflation.

    According to the Congressional Research Service, the President’s domestic travel also involves the use of accompanying cargo planes.

    This report assumes one cargo plane accompanies the President on each trip at an operating cost per hour of $6,960. This figure is based on the per-hour cost cited by GAO for fiscal year 2000 for the C-17 cargo plane, adjusted for inflation…

    The President flies on a VC-25. General Accounting Office, Presidential Travel: DOD Airlift Cost for White House Foreign Travel, Appendix I, at 10-11 (Aug. 2000) (GAO/NSIAD-00-209).

    The VC-25 plane has a speed of 630 miles per hour. Air Force, Fact Sheet on VC-25 – Air Force One (online at http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=131)…

    According to the Air Force, the C-17 flies at 450 knots, which converts to 518 miles per hour. Air Force, Fact Sheet on C-17 (online at: http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.aspfsID=86)…

    The flight time for presidential travel to campaign-related events was calculated by dividing the total miles traveled by the President by the cruising speed of Air Force I.

    Distances were determined using two Internet-based distance calculators:
    http://www.indo.com/cgi-bin/dist and http://www.mapcrow.info/.

    According to the first distance calculator above, it is 598 miles (962 km) (519 nautical miles) from Washington, DC to Chicago, Illinois.

    Mr. Obama’s two trips back and forth from DC to Chicago add up to 2392 miles – as the crow flies.

    Which, if our calculations are correct, amounts to at least 3.8 hours flying time for Air Force One. And 4.6 hours of flying time for the accompanying cargo plane.

    (For the sake of simplicity, we will assume that both planes were going at their full speed, which they probably were not. And we will not count the time in service on the ground before and after each flight.)

    Using these very conservative figures, Air Force One cost $214,768 and the cargo plane cost $32,140. For a grand total of $246,908 for Mr. Obama’s two round trips.

    But of course that is just for Mr. Obama’s air transportation. And it doesn’t even cover all of that.

    For, as is the custom, Mr. Obama took the helicopter, Marine One, back and forth to Andrews AFB. (And he is usually accompanying by two other helicopters on the short trip.)

    However, we are frankly too lazy to try to calculate all of the costs involved.

    But just thinking back to Mr. Obama chiding these CEO’s about the use of their private jets, when he is spending (at least) a quarter of a million dollars to hop back and forth and back to Chicago strikes us as a bit irresponsible.

    And didn’t Mr. Obama himself tell us that we are in a new age of personal responsibility?

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    While digging, I ran across this. Pres Ford would be proud..

    http://www.politico.com/politico44/p...3a8412fa1.html

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    7thsf,

    when it's the president you're dealing with, all costs go up at least tenfold just on security matters alone. it's not just a person, it's a bloody office and a whole army of security personnel, to boot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper View Post
    My fellow Americans. In this trying time of economic challenges and among calls from our president that we all need to sacrifice, I just want to say that I am so f-ing happy that he is having such a good time partying, spending tax-money and keeping the presidential fleet busy taxiing his children to and fro. What a guy!!
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    "We are just temporary occupants. This is a place that belongs to the American people and we want to make sure that everybody understands it's open," [Obama] said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOgershok View Post
    When will he open the White House for tours?
    You and me ain't on the guest list brother! But I hear there has been an open bar. BHO likes vodka martinis from what I've read. Shaken or stirred....I wonder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper View Post
    You and me ain't on the guest list brother! But I hear there has been an open bar. BHO likes vodka martinis from what I've read. Shaken or stirred....I wonder?
    Since I am a teetotaler I will not get an invite for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper View Post
    You and me ain't on the guest list brother! But I hear there has been an open bar. BHO likes vodka martinis from what I've read. Shaken or stirred....I wonder?
    I doubt anyone that did not support his election with contributions will be invited. I'm curious have public tours of the White House been suspended?

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    badkharma,

    i don't believe so.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/tours_and_events/
    The human mind cannot grasp the causes of phenomena in the aggregate. But the need to find these causes is inherent in man’s soul. And the human intellect, without investigating the multiplicity and complexity of the conditions of phenomena, any one of which taken separately may seem to be the cause, snatches at the first, the most intelligible approximation to a cause, and says: “This is the cause!"

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    Screw the tour. I'll check out the Whitehouse the day I move in!

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    Screw the tour. I'll check out the Whitehouse the day I move in!
    remember kids, we were there when President 7thsfsniper first threw his hat into the ring...
    The human mind cannot grasp the causes of phenomena in the aggregate. But the need to find these causes is inherent in man’s soul. And the human intellect, without investigating the multiplicity and complexity of the conditions of phenomena, any one of which taken separately may seem to be the cause, snatches at the first, the most intelligible approximation to a cause, and says: “This is the cause!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    remember kids, we were there when President 7thsfsniper first threw his hat into the ring...
    Stranger things have happened. I would definitely keep the WAB on tap for cabinet picks. What job would you want astralis?

    Beware though, its not gonna be all fun and games and wasting the taxpayers money like the current admin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper View Post
    Stranger things have happened. I would definitely keep the WAB on tap for cabinet picks. What job would you want astralis?

    Beware though, its not gonna be all fun and games and wasting the taxpayers money like the current admin.
    There better be a swanky penthouse in it for the Australian diplomatic representative to the United States. )

    And guns, all the guns i can shoot, especially guns that are illegal over here (pretty much anything over a bolt action .22), and women... hollywood types with plastic everything, and liqour... maybe you lads could convert me over to bourbon from scotch.. i hear you have some good stuff there.

    Its very important to take care of your closest allies who else is going to help you invade the next country so you can sell it off to the world press as a 'coalition' )

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