Thread: The Palin debate

Originally Posted by Herodotus

That's a long, long, long way from advocating violence and bombing the Capitol...a long way JAD. I don't wear a flagpin, and I haven't said the pledge of allegiance in about 10 years...should the FBI be tracking me?

Be rational. First, you aren't Obama. What you wear or what you salute isn't at issue. Second, I was responding to Tim's question as to how one might infer a person's attitude toward their country by stringing together disparate signs and examining their words closely. The flag pin controversy was simply an example. Obama intellectualized his reasoning on that score. But he seems to distain appearances. If he doesn't understand the importance of appearances, how can he conduct foreign affairs, an arena where appearances can be more important than substance?

ABC News: Obama Dropped Flag Pin in War Statement

Originally Posted by Parihaka

Alas Sir, after the many, many insults you have offered up to me since I have become a moderator you may not consider me your friend.

This is a formal moderator warning:
Stop spamming the forum with constant posts about how Palin is stupid.

Parihaka,

I was not spamming.

I was just giving an opinion to a post.

However, it is your call and you are the Moderator.

If you feel inconvenienced, it only saddens me, more so since you say I should not consider you as a friend.

That hurt.

And to be honest, I have not gone out of my way to insult you, it may have happened in an exchange of posts.

If that should have happened, I can only express regret.

Old news from CNN.

The Statement: Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin said Saturday, October 4, that Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is "someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

Watch: Is Obama a terrorist's pal?

Get the facts!


The Facts: In making the charge at a fund-raising event in Englewood, Colorado, and a rally in Carson, California, Palin was referring at least in part to William Ayers, a 1960s radical. In both appearances, Palin cited a front-page article in Saturday's New York Times detailing the working relationship between Obama and Ayers.

In the 1960s, Ayers was a founding member of the radical Weather Underground group that carried out a string of bombings of federal buildings, including the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol, in protest against the Vietnam War. The now-defunct group was labeled a "domestic terrorist group" by the FBI, and Ayers and his wife, Bernadine Dohrn — also a Weather Underground member — spent 10 years as fugitives in the 1970s. Federal charges against them were dropped due to FBI misconduct in gathering evidence against them, and they resurfaced in 1980. Both Ayers and Dohrn ultimately became university professors in Chicago, with Ayers, 63, now an education professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

Obama's Chicago home is in the same neighborhood where Ayers and Dohrn live. Beginning in 1995, Ayers and Obama worked with the non-profit Chicago Annenberg Challenge on a huge school improvement project. The Annenberg Challenge was for cities to compete for $50 million grants to improve public education. Ayers fought to bring the grant to Chicago, and Obama was recruited onto the board. Also from 1999 through 2001 both were board members on the Woods Fund, a charitable foundation that gave money to various causes, including the Trinity United Church that Obama attended and Northwestern University Law Schools' Children and Family Justice Center, where Dohrn worked.

CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved.

Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told CNN that after meeting Obama through the Annenberg project, Ayers hosted a campaign event for him that same year when then-Illinois state Sen. Alice Palmer, who planned to run for Congress, introduced the young community organizer as her chosen successor. LaBolt also said the two have not spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Obama came to the U.S. Senate in 2005 and last met more than a year ago when they encountered each other on the street in their Hyde Park neighborhood.

The extent of Obama's relationship with Ayers came up during the Democratic presidential primaries earlier this year, and Obama explained it by saying, "This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood … the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago — when I was 8 years old — somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense."

The McCain campaign did not respond Saturday to a request for elaboration on Palin's use of the plural "terrorists."

Verdict: False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now "palling around," or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are.

Now, before we start pointing fingers and calling names, note that in Palin's rally during one of her speeches accusing Obama as a terrorist, one man shouted "kill him!" in audible volume and was not given a warning by Palin, as Obama had in his own rally when his crowd booed at his mentioning of McCain. McCain is by his own reckoning "an old friend" to G. Gordon Liddy, a man who was convicted for the Watergate break in, professed that he had plotted to kill journalists and to firebomb a think tank, and called for violent resistance towards the US government. McCain had also voted against making anti-abortion violence a Federal Crime, including acts of arson, blockade and bombing, at 1994 and 1994.

Obama did not call McCain a terrorist coddler. Perhaps McCain should extend the courtsey.

Terrorists = Ayers and his wife/companion Dohrn.

See? That was easy for me and I'm not even a kiddie porn director. I mean journalist.

-dale

Sorry, Dalem. I missed your point. None of Obama's cooperations with Ayers gave aid, comfort, or made common cause with the Weatherman. Nor did he 'palled' Ayers.

As for the porn director epithet, do you have someone particular in mind?

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Dreams of my father, or audacity of hope, one or the other, either way, IIRC its printed in the book. If I'm wrong, let me know, I'll dig and I'll find it. I think Hannity repeats it about 400 times a day, maybe I should ask him?

Obama endorsed by Hamas and receives campaign donations from terrorist hotbed | Obama States Of America I can get more if this isn't good enough? NO, I plainly wrote P-L-O... Palestinian Liberation Organization(terrorists R-us for short) and yes, he returned the cash, hes not stupid, even he knew that would look bad. No sh1t! you're kidding. Point here is, they WANT him to be pres, they didn't McCain.....no greenbacks for Johnny!
If we leave leave before AQs asses are thouroughly whipped, they will claim victory and embolden more terrorists. Siimple as that. UBL put it in one of his videos and one of his chiefs put it in a statement shortly before he had a run in with a couple of smart bombs two years ago. None of this is a new discovery or a secret folks. You just ain't gonna hear about it on msnbc(mostly says nothin but crap).

Here's a little something I found tonight. Hmm.
Obama is Hiding a Radical Past! : NO QUARTER(

I don't think Obama has talked about leaving Afganistan at all. Have you seen the head of nato forces calling for negotiations with the Taliban of all people this week????
Show me where the PLO is donating to Obama please. Now, how often does Hannitty mention Palins connection to the America hating AIP? Did you know Hannitty is so close to anti semites he invites them on his show? Measuring the connections of Palin to the AIP in "Ayers" it measures 5.2 Ayers. Now, measuring Hannitty's connection to anti semites and it is 26 Ayers since He was cozying up to them on national TV. Can you really believe what you hear from someone who supports and America hating party and an anti semite?

Sean Hannity, Robert Gibbs and anti-Semitism: How to go on Fox News
For the third debate in a row, actual polling data last night (as well as uncommitted focus groups) revealed that most Americans believe that the Democratic candidate (Obama/Biden) won decisively. In stark contrast, this is what the poll of Fox News viewers found:

In the real world among Americans, Obama won the debate by 15-30 points, but in Fox News World, McCain won the debate by 86-12%. That’s what Fox News is and who their viewers are: a right-wing propaganda outlet with an almost entirely unpersuadable viewership. For that reason, I don’t understand why the Obama campaign helps legitimize them as a real news network by appearing on Fox programs. But the Obama campaign obviously disagrees and regularly does so.

Agree or disagree with that tactical choice, any Democrat preparing to go on Fox News should study how Obama communications director Robert Gibbs mauled Sean Hannity last night and copy and learn from it as though it is Scripture (video below). First, a bit of background: in the 1980s and 1990s, Anthony Martin-Trigona was well-known to New York litigators as a source of warped entertainment, wonderment and universal disgust.

For years, Martin-Trigona ran around continuously suing so many random people on a pro se basis — and when he would lose, he would then sue the lawyers who represented the parties he sued and the judges who ruled against him — that the Second Circuit Court of Appeals actually barred him from commencing any further judicial process without prior authorization, an unprecedented and truly extraordinary order. Some of that history is set forth here. Martin-Trigona would file so many new, rambling lawsuits and motions on a virtually daily basis that, as the Second Circuit pointed out, it actually became impossible for courts even to process: “Martin-Trigona’s voluminous filings have ‘inundated’ the District of Connecticut and his activities have burdened judicial operations to the point of impairing the administration of justice.”

It wasn’t just the quantity but the content that made his litigious behavior so notable. The documents he filed were routinely filled with the most extreme anti-Semitic venom one could find anywhere this side of Mein Kampf. The lawsuits were often based on the theory that a cabal of Jewish judges, lawyers and government officials were conspiring against him, and the Complaints he filed would be filled with artfully-constructed allegations along these lines:

Paragraph 8: On July 12, 1988, the plaintiff-Jew met with aforementioned Jew lawyer to prepare for hearing with the Jew judge.
That’s a paraphrase from memory, but it’s a quite accurate illustration of what his documents routinely contained. In 1986, he ran for Congress in Illinois under this campaign committee: “The Anthony R. Martin-Trigona Congressional Campaign to Exterminate Jew Power in America,” and he wrote sympathetically of the Holocaust. As The Washington Times described this year:
In a New York bankruptcy case, he referred to a judge as a “crooked, slimy Jew.” During the bankruptcy dispute, he filed a civil-rights lawsuit claiming Jewish bankruptcy judges and lawyers were conspiring to steal his property. He asked a court to bar “any Jew from having anything to do with plaintiff’s property.”

In another motion in the case, he wrote: “I am able to understand how the Holocaust took place, and with every passing day feel less and less sorry that it did, when Jew survivors are operating as a wolf pack to steal my property.”

An Obama critic hannity has buddied up to. MMM If he hates Obama then Mccain must the choice of anti-semites? More likely he just hates blacks and jews but He was still a guest on faux news. I think it's ridiculous to invite anti-semites on one night and then claim obama is the candidate of the PLO. Hannitty is to news now what Father Tom Coughlin was. He stokes peoples fears and uses them to help advance a political agenda that in the end has been contrary to their best interests.