Thread: The Palin debate

Ray,

For whatever its worth it was not my intention to chastise India or you for that matter but to point out the hypocrisy that abounds in both our countries.

I freely admit I have never had the opportunity to visit India and so have no first hand experience to draw on, so if my statements about plight of Dalit women are in error I offer my apology.

I will state that my remarks were not intended in a glib or superficial manner and were made based on material I have read and programs I have viewed. These are but a few:

BROKEN PEOPLE
Caste Violence Against India’s “Untouchables”

Table of Contents: Broken People: Caste Violence Against India’s “Untouchables” (Human Rights Watch Report, 1999)

DALIT WOMEN IN INDIA
by
DR. J. MUTHUMARY

DALIT WOMEN IN INDIA

Violence against Dalit Women In Nepal
By
Padmalal Bishwakarma

Violence against Dalit Women In Nepal By Padmalal Bishwakarma

I also believe that India is a country in transition so that what may be accepted practice in large urban centers may not be the same in the countryside.

To your earlier point, I too find it interesting that the GOP which wraps itself in the flag and states that it represents traditional American family values finds no irony in the fact that Sarah Palin’s 17 year old daughter is pregnant out of wedlock.

Originally Posted by Ray

ShawnG,

I feel that there is a cultural divide between you all and us.....

Yes, there is. Which is why I ask questions, because I am eager to learn about what's on the other side of that divide. Not to offend anyone.

I am an Athiest, but I have no gripes or problems with those who are not. I'm an advocate of doing the right thing, I just don't live by influence of any religion.

Originally Posted by Ray

I feel that there is a cultural divide between you all and us.

My belief is that if true values are taught to one's children, then the child understand that the family comes first and then their own desires. This does not come easy. It requires immense effort on the part of the parents and their grandparents.

India has become or is becoming two parent income families. But thank heavens, grandparents are not in Old Age homes and instead in the ancestral homes. They make up the loss of parental guidance and they are far better. Ask me. My grandson who lives in the same city as us, is turning out to be a disciplined child and more caring than my other grandson who is away from us and whose parents are working parents. He is a total yahoo. Though we (grandparents) take turns to go there and sort the fundamentals of the child. A child requires company and guidance and that is all. I am not aware of the US, but in India, it is a matter of routine that the grandparents fill in the void of parents. Having said that, it does not mean it is all milk and honey. No.

You see our customs are different. We have greater value of "Family Honour". In Pakistan a girl with an illegitimate child would be killed under "Honour Killing". In India, she would be turfed out of the house or an abortion done to save the ''family face''.

Believe it or not, the Christians and Moslems of India are more serious about it!

Pilani would never be given a ticket to even contest a municipal election, let alone be a VP!

We would take it as a shame and a blot to our Nation!

Not that we are pure!

Different culture, different morality.

As a pseudo emancipated person, I would say Good Luck to you all to legitimise illegitimacy as evangelist!

My quasi religious heritage somehow makes me uncomfortable!

Ray,


Once again you make some excellent points, but in so doing, point out that unless there are radical changes in India's development she is headed in the same direction as the US and the rest of the Western world.

I am with you India is no great shakes.

But have to heard of the recent Hindu Christians hassles in Orissa.


The Vatican has made noise, but when I learnt that the Hindu holy man (some big dad) was first killed along with four others, I lost all interest to get inflamed!

But ask the Vatican.

I am sure the Catholics will do an song and a dance over it.

But ask them of the lesbian Mother Superior of Kerala how how the poor nun committed suicide because of her, they are silent - the same Pope who was Hitler's Youth or whatever those scoundrels were called!

Ask him of the homo priests. He is silent!

Religion and religious order is all about power and having a good time without personal finances being wasted!

It is the same with all religions.

That is why I have no time with religions and false pretensions!

Originally Posted by tim52

Ray,


Once again you make some excellent points, but in so doing, point out that unless there are radical changes in India's development she is headed in the same direction as the US and the rest of the Western world.

If India had capabilities to be innovative, she would have done so long ago.

We are but mere clones.

That is why I am but a few who is not impressed with all this humbug that India is the next superpower.;

We are nowhere near to super, let alone a power!

Originally Posted by ShawnG

Yes, there is. Which is why I ask questions, because I am eager to learn about what's on the other side of that divide. Not to offend anyone.

I am an Athiest, but I have no gripes or problems with those who are not. I'm an advocate of doing the right thing, I just don't live by influence of any religion.

I would love to exchange notes since I know so little about the US except for some wonderful posts here at WAB.

I would also be frank that I would not be the ideal chap to tell you of Indian culture since my upbringing is different.

My children are capable of informing you of India, I am somewhat handicapped for reasons I would like to keep private.

To be frank, I don't understand the US domestic political scene or domestic aspirations.

But what puts me off is the fraudulent Christianity, family values and evangelism that is bandied by scrubbed clean face individuals who have flouted everything, since I understand that.


I am sure the US family values can never be legitimised by unmitigated sexual licence as propagated by the ilk of Harold Robbins and Joan Collins.

Or is it?

As an aside: It is better to have four legal wives as in Islam. That is more moral. Or better still Shia Islam where you can have temporary sex and then pay the woman thereafter and say talaq three times and also take responsibility of any child thereof. More moral and none can accuse you of sexual immorality or flesh trade!

Originally Posted by tim52

Ray,

For whatever its worth it was not my intention to chastise India or you for that matter but to point out the hypocrisy that abounds in both our countries.

I freely admit I have never had the opportunity to visit India and so have no first hand experience to draw on, so if my statements about plight of Dalit women are in error I offer my apology.

I will state that my remarks were not intended in a glib or superficial manner and were made based on material I have read and programs I have viewed. These are but a few:

BROKEN PEOPLE
Caste Violence Against India’s “Untouchables”

Table of Contents: Broken People: Caste Violence Against India’s “Untouchables” (Human Rights Watch Report, 1999)

DALIT WOMEN IN INDIA
by
DR. J. MUTHUMARY

DALIT WOMEN IN INDIA

Violence against Dalit Women In Nepal
By
Padmalal Bishwakarma

Violence against Dalit Women In Nepal By Padmalal Bishwakarma

I also believe that India is a country in transition so that what may be accepted practice in large urban centers may not be the same in the countryside.

To your earlier point, I too find it interesting that the GOP which wraps itself in the flag and states that it represents traditional American family values finds no irony in the fact that Sarah Palin’s 17 year old daughter is pregnant out of wedlock.

I am sure that you are sincerely concerned and I appreciate that.

This Dalit business is overworked.

It is like the accusation that American are always booking blacks for crimes just because they are blacks!

True. But not the whole truth.

Do white men not rape too? Is rape a sole prerogative of a certain section of society?

Not to the best of my belief.

But a so called deprived class being subjected to indignities does make man bit dog and these Human Rights chaps have to justify their existence so that they get funds and live in 5 Star hotels dripping with diamonds to make these heart wrenching reports!

Originally Posted by tim52

Ray,

For whatever its worth it was not my intention to chastise India or you for that matter but to point out the hypocrisy that abounds in both our countries.

I freely admit I have never had the opportunity to visit India and so have no first hand experience to draw on, so if my statements about plight of Dalit women are in error I offer my apology.

I will state that my remarks were not intended in a glib or superficial manner and were made based on material I have read and programs I have viewed. These are but a few:

BROKEN PEOPLE
Caste Violence Against India’s “Untouchables”

Table of Contents: Broken People: Caste Violence Against India’s “Untouchables” (Human Rights Watch Report, 1999)

DALIT WOMEN IN INDIA
by
DR. J. MUTHUMARY

DALIT WOMEN IN INDIA

Violence against Dalit Women In Nepal
By
Padmalal Bishwakarma

Violence against Dalit Women In Nepal By Padmalal Bishwakarma

I also believe that India is a country in transition so that what may be accepted practice in large urban centers may not be the same in the countryside.

To your earlier point, I too find it interesting that the GOP which wraps itself in the flag and states that it represents traditional American family values finds no irony in the fact that Sarah Palin’s 17 year old daughter is pregnant out of wedlock.

I am sure that you are sincerely concerned and I appreciate that.

This Dalit business is overworked.

It is like the accusation that American are always booking blacks for crimes just because they are blacks!

True. But not the whole truth.

Do white men not rape too? Is rape a sole prerogative of a certain section of society?

Not to the best of my belief.

But a so called deprived class being subjected to indignities does make man bit dog and these Human Rights chaps have to justify their existence so that they get funds and live in 5 Star hotels dripping with diamonds to make these heart wrenching reports!

There was an Oxfam chap who came and told me that the Indian Army was using children to walk over minefields on the border to clear it.

Thank heavens he did not tell me that Martians were also being used!

Suffer these baskets and you will realise what is the truth!

i am not sure and knowing very little about this issue,

but regarding what they say i believe that Mrs. Palin can be a cover for a foreseen failure?

Ray,

This is for you.

Tim,

Wasted on me.

I have no audio!

Impoverished $1 livelihood! )

Not to worry.

Tomorrow I will get my neighbour's audio and check it out,

He is the Chief Financial Officer P&G. He should be having one.

Originally Posted by ShawnG

Everyone is being fed the rhetoric, "Obama will lower taxes for the middle class", claiming that the middle 80% of taxpayers will see a decrease. Is there any plausability? And how would that potentially effect our economy?
Generally I believe that Obama is full of crap, but I don't always understand "what's good" and "what's bad." when it comes to particulars.

Obama only shows one side of the coin with tax breaks for middle America.

Obama made it clear the tax breaks for corporate America will cease. Middle class America will receive tax breaks, however, the alternative minimum tax suspension will come back into effect, and all those tax breaks middle class America gets, will be paid back to the government in taxes. The profits small businesses make, will be hit by the alternative minimum tax, and payroll tax increases, and 50% of profits will be paid in taxes.

Small businesses make of 30% of the work force of America. With his tax plan, small businesses will struggle, and the corporate world will flee to other countries to avoid higher taxes. I firmly believe the US economy will stagnate under an Obama administration, like the Carter administration did.