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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    But liberals and moderates are by definition fair and unbiased?
    But look at the ratio of liberals to conservatives: 4 to 1. And moderate can attach to any party. Journalists fib.)
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    [QUOTE=Ray;555042]

    Reservation in Indian law is a form of affirmative action whereby a percentage of seats are reserved in the public sector units, union and state civil services, union and state government departments and in all public and private educational institutions, except in the religious/ linguistic minority educational institutions, for the socially and educationally backward classes of citizens or the Scheduled Castes and Tribes and minority religions who were inadequately represented in these services and institutions.
    That seems a little over the top. Wouldn't fly in the US. We prefer more subtle approaches, like civil service interview system which supposedly negates any attempt to discriminate on race, color, creed and football team preference.





    Well at least you are lucky that it is they who creates organisation to promote themselves.

    In India, the Govt itself promotes issues for these classes of people!
    It may be that our court system offers more avenues for minorities to protect and advance themselves. Coersion works too with image conscious corporations. Rev Jesse Jackson made a career out of threatening them with boycotts if they didn't do more to help minorities.

    I can't comment on the issues of the USA, but prima facie, it is natural that those who perceive that they are sidelined, tend to put forward arguments to justify their aspirations, justified or otherwise.
    Couldn't agree more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD_333 View Post
    But look at the ratio of liberals to conservatives: 4 to 1. And moderate can attach to any party. Journalists fib.)
    Sorry. I was deadpanning.
    And just for the record, IMO a moderate is most often someone with a open mind, where ideas can go in and back out again without touching anything on the way through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    Sorry. I was deadpanning.
    I though you might be, but I didn't want to take any chances that you might go to bed disappointed.

    And just for the record, IMO a moderate is most often someone with a open mind, where ideas can go in and back out again without touching anything on the way through.
    Good one. And I always thought a moderate was a partisan with style.
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    And conservatives, the sole bastion of morality, purity and truthfulness!


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    And conservatives, the sole bastion of morality, purity and truthfulness!
    No Sir conservatives are like liberals, idealogues. (no offence Jad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    And conservatives, the sole bastion of morality, purity and truthfulness!

    Bah, humbug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    No Sir conservatives are like liberals, idealogues. (no offence Jad)
    No offense taken.

    A liberal comes up to the farmer's barn and say, "I see the storm last night ripped off part of your roof. You need to tear down the barn and build a new one."

    The conservative comes up to the barn and says, "I see the storm last night ripped off part of your roof. The barn is fine. Just fix the roof."
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD_333 View Post
    No offense taken.

    A liberal comes up to the farmer's barn and say, "I see the storm last night ripped off part of your roof. You need to tear down the barn and build a new one."

    The conservative comes up to the barn and says, "I see the storm last night ripped off part of your roof. The barn is fine. Just fix the roof."
    And the farmer is the one who fixes it.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    And conservatives, the sole bastion of morality, purity and truthfulness!
    I tend to think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    And the farmer is the one who fixes it.)
    And doesn't blame global warming.
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    How the markets really work (from 2007)

    How did these comedians see it coming when financial reporters did not?


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    Quote Originally Posted by tim52 View Post
    How the markets really work (from 2007)

    How did these comedians see it coming when financial reporters did not?


    Because Republicans, Democrats, Congress, the government, the financial elite, and the mainstream media live in an insulated world isolated from reality.

    I saw it in 2006 when I entertained buying a house to live in. I did some research and said: "HELL NO!"


    On Palin, she's just not ready. This is not bigot or nothing and I'm most definitely not a Democrat. There are good politicians and good Americans that are just not meant for the national stage or to be president or vice president. Admiral Stockdale for example, I hear her and I just think of him in his VP debate with Gore and Quayle. McCain has done her just as much an ultimate injustice as Perot did with Stockdale.

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    Four weeks to election day and McCain is behind 6 pts. What can he do to turn things around? One article quoted a McCain campaign person that it was time to haul out the "Swift Boat"-style stuff. I can't believe a campaign staffer would say something so dumb, but in any case that's what's happening. Palin's Florida speeches in the last few days are hitting on Obama's connection with ex-Weatherman "sabateur" Ayers. She doesn't offer any evidence that Obama is a closet Ayers follower. But neither is Obama's defense that he was only 8 years old when Ayers was in his heyday proves a valid counterargument. Plenty of people follow Karl Marx today, and he's been long dead. Obama for his part has hauled out the Keating 5 scandal as a counterattack. Last anyone heard, Keating was not a bomber, but who's paying attention and McCain got no favors done for Keating other than to get him a meeting with government regulators, which he owns up to and regrets.

    IMHO, personal attacks won't work this time around without a smoking gun. Obama's supporters expect it. Who is left to convince? Independents. Well, I've been out canvassing for the GOP and so far I have run into only one independent who is worried about Obama's personal past, his middle name.

    All the other independents I've polled are worried about the economy, Iraq, health care immigration, and electing a trustworthy government, in that order. They're trying to figureout which candidate will best deal with those issues. So, a predictable end-game of dredging up dirt on the frontrunner won't answer the mail.

    It seems to me that now is the time for McCain and his supporters to hit the experience issue hard, and at the same time get logical about the real effect of Obama's positions. For example on Iraq, Obama's withdrawal plan is really no different than McCain's. He says he plans to withdraw most of the troops in 16 months but also says he will listen to the advice of the commanders on the ground before acting. Isn't that more or less what McCain is saying? All Obama's timeline does is mislead his supporters into thinking he'll do things differently. It's not realistic for a president concerned about US interests to state in advance exactly what he'll do despite events that have yet to occur.

    That's just one issue. National Health care, taxes, trust...follow the same pattern of exposing Obama's pie-in-the-sky positions. At the same time, come back to the experience issue... It takes experience to creat real change.

    Now, mind you, this is a campaign strategy concept, not me starting an issues debate on the thread.
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    It seems to me that now is the time for McCain and his supporters to hit the experience issue hard, and at the same time get logical about the real effect of Obama's positions. For example on Iraq, Obama's withdrawal plan is really no different than McCain's. He says he plans to withdraw most of the troops in 16 months but also says he will listen to the advice of the commanders on the ground before acting. Isn't that more or less what McCain is saying? All Obama's timeline does is mislead his supporters into thinking he'll do things differently. It's not realistic for a president concerned about US interests to state in advance exactly what he'll do despite events that have yet to occur.

    That's just one issue. National Health care, taxes, trust...follow the same pattern of exposing Obama's pie-in-the-sky positions. At the same time, come back to the experience issue... It takes experience to creat real change.
    The experience issue is undermined by Palin being on the ticket. The McCain-Palin ticket has a muddled message, first it wanted experience then it wanted change, now it wants what change with experience?

    McCain is desperate, they will be going negative now, that's why the Ayers "issue" is coming up. Right now though voters don't want to hear about it, they are pretty tired of re-fighting the '60s and '70s, heck I wasn't even around then. Obama has handled it pretty well so this gambit could backfire for McCain. Tomorrow though is the townhall debate, so maybe McCain can get some traction...but he is running out of time.

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