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    Obama picks Biden as Vp

    CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama has selected Delaware Sen. Joe Biden as his running mate, according to his official Web site and a text message the campaign sent to supporters on Saturday.
    Delaware Sen. Joe Biden is Sen. Barack Obama's choice to be his vice-presidential running mate.

    "Barack has chosen Senator Joe Biden to be our VP nominee," the text message, sent at around 3 a.m. ET, said.

    "Joe and I will appear for the first time as running mates this afternoon in Springfield, Illinois -- the same place this campaign began more than 19 months ago," Obama said in an e-mail sent to supporters Saturday morning.

    "I'm excited about hitting the campaign trail with Joe, but the two of us can't do this alone," he wrote. " We need your help to keep building this movement for change."

    Before the text messages were distributed, multiple Democratic sources confirmed to CNN early Saturday that Obama wanted the Delaware senator as his vice president.

    On Friday, CNN learned three Democrats who had been considered contenders for the No. 2 spot, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh and Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, had been ruled out. Video Watch CNN's John King break news of Biden being Obama's VP pick »

    Biden was long considered a possible choice for vice president, but the buzz surrounding him intensified after he returned earlier this week from a two-day trip to the Republic of Georgia after Russian troops invaded.

    Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, brings years of experience that could help counter GOP arguments that an Obama administration would be inexperienced on foreign policy. Video Watch what Biden would bring to an Obama presidency »

    Sen. John McCain's campaign quickly reacted to word that Biden would be Obama's running mate, calling attention to Biden's past comments about Obama's experience.

    "There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience than Joe Biden," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written statement.
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    "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are quickly realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."

    In a debate during the Democratic primary contest, Biden raised questions about Obama's foreign policy experience.

    "Who among us is going to be able on day one to step in an end the war? Who among us understands what to do about Pakistan? Who among us is going to pick up the phone and immediately interface with Putin and tell him to lay off Georgia because Saakashvili is in real trouble. Who among us knows what they're doing? I have 35 years of experience," Biden said.

    During another debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos referred to some of Biden's comments on Obama.

    "You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training,'" Stephanopoulos said.

    "I think I stand by that statement," Biden replied.

    Biden, in a July interview, said he would choose Obama's judgment over John McCain's war record and foreign policy experience.

    "But 20 years of experience that has not been very solid in terms of projecting what was going to happen just doesn't make you a better commander-in-chief," Biden said. "We don't need as a commander-in-chief a war hero. John's a war hero. We need someone with some wisdom."

    Biden abandoned his own White House run after a poor showing in Iowa's first-in-the-nation caucuses. He also ran for the 1988 Democratic presidential nomination but dropped out after charges of plagiarism in a stump speech. Learn more about Biden

    The 65-year-old was first elected to the Senate in 1972. Shortly afterwards, his first wife and daughter were killed in a car accident. He considered resigning, but decided to continue with his political career.

    Biden is currently serving out his sixth term, making him Delaware's longest-serving senator.

    Biden is married and has three children. He received his undergraduate degree from the University of Delaware and got a law degree from Syracuse.

    In 1988, Biden suffered an aneurysm and nearly died but has recovered fully.
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    One of Biden's grandfathers was a Pennsylvania state senator, according to the Almanac of American Politics.

    Biden will make his first big speech as the vice-presidential candidate on Wednesday, August 27 -- the third night of the Democratic convention.

    So Obama has picked Biden which he hopes will address his inexperience and foreign policy naivety good choice discuss?
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    America under attack

    Mmmh Biden sounds much like Bi(n La)den if you think twice and Obama...oh my
    Last edited by Oscar; 23 Aug 08, at 13:24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Mmmh Biden sounds much like Bi(n La)den if you think twice and Obama...oh my
    ) Bin laden and Hussien-Obama, definetly a groundbreaking ticket .

    Can any Americans shed some light on Mr Biden for us uppity foreigners?

    Where would he fall policy wise, and on the left-right spectrum?

    What's his appeal to Obama?
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    "Mr Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is a seasoned political operator and steeped in knowledge about international affairs while also being seen as capable of broadening Mr Obama's appeal to the fellow working class Catholic vote in key states this November." The Times
    Barack Obama names Joe Biden as his running mate - Times Online

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    Biden will not help with the moderate vote. I see this as one of the things that will cause Obama to lose.

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    I agree, he's definately a hard core lefty. Why can't the Democrats ever learn their mistakes and go for moderate nominees?!
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    smiling,

    I agree, he's definately a hard core lefty. Why can't the Democrats ever learn their mistakes and go for moderate nominees?!
    don't know about his domestic policies, but he was picked for his foreign policy. his foreign policy is fairly moderate, i think- he's not instinctively against the use of force, as seems to be the case with many dems.

    can you tell me what in your eyes makes him a hard-core lefty?
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    Well for starters he's certainly gung-ho to go after the oil company's for their "insane profits" even though those insane profit margins are lower than most successfull business's, if my knowledge is correct... Also IIRC he was against the surge (am I wrong?)

    Watching him at senate hearings makes me want to punch the guy in the nose, from a personality perspective I think he's an #$@%. IMO he's an arrogant, condesending man, like Obama, so in that reguard they do seem to be a good match.
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    Joe Biden! This is awesome. And the below from NRO is too good to not post in full:

    On McCain:
    Biden, on a post-debate appearance on MSNBC, October 30, 2007: “The only guy on the other side who’s qualified is John McCain.”

    Biden appearing on The Daily Show, August 2, 2005: “John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off, be well off no matter who...”

    On Meet the Press, November 27, 2005: “I’ve been calling for more troops for over two years, along with John McCain and others subsequent to my saying that.”

    On Obama:
    Reacting to an Obama speech on counterterrorism, August 1, 2007: “‘Look, the truth is the four major things he called for, well, hell that’s what I called for,’ Biden said today on MSNBC’s Hardball, echoing comments he made earlier in the day at an event promoting his book at the National Press Club. Biden added, ‘I’m glad he’s talking about these things.’”

    Also that day, the Biden campaign issued a release that began, “The Biden for President Campaign today congratulated Sen. Barack Obama for arriving at a number of Sen. Biden’s long-held views on combating al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.” That release mocked Obama for asking about the “stunning level of mercury in fish” and asked about a proposal for the U.S. adopt a ban on mercury sales abroad at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing.

    Assessing Obama’s Iraq plan on September 13, 2007: “My impression is [Obama] thinks that if we leave, somehow the Iraqis are going to have an epiphany” of peaceful coexistence among warring sects. “I’ve seen zero evidence of that.”

    Speaking to the New York Observer: Biden was equally skeptical — albeit in a slightly more backhanded way — about Mr. Obama. “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

    Also from that Observer interview: “But — and the ‘but’ was clearly inevitable — he doubts whether American voters are going to elect ‘a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate,’ and added: ‘I don’t recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic.’”

    Around that time, Biden in an interview with the Huffington Post, he assessed Obama and Hillary Clinton: “The more people learn about them (Obama and Hillary) and how they handle the pressure, the more their support will evaporate.”

    December 11, 2007: “If Iowans believe campaign funds and celebrity will fix the debacle in Iraq, put the economy on track, and provide health care and education for America’s children, they should support another candidate,” said Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro. “But I’m confident that Iowans know what I know: our problems will require experience and leadership from Day One. Empty slogans will be no match for proven action on caucus night.”

    Also that night, Biden said in a campaign ad, “When this campaign is over, political slogans like ‘experience’ and ‘change’ will mean absolutely nothing. The next president has to act.”

    September 26, 2007: Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro said, “Sen. Obama said he would do everything possible to end the war in Iraq and emphasized the need for a political solution yet he failed to show up to vote for Sen. Biden’s critical amendment to provide a political solution in Iraq.

    December 26, 2006: “Frankly, I think I’m more qualified than other candidates, and the issues facing the American public are all in my wheelbarrow.”

    On Iraq:
    Biden on Meet the Press in 2002, discussing Saddam Hussein: “He’s a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security… “We have no choice but to eliminate the threat. This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world.”

    Biden on Meet the Press in 2002: “Saddam must be dislodged from his weapons or dislodged from power.”

    Biden on Meet the Press in 2007, on Hussein’s WMDs: “Well, the point is, it turned out they didn’t, but everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them. He catalogued — they catalogued them. This was not some, some Cheney, you know, pipe dream. This was, in fact, catalogued.”

    Biden, on Obama’s Iraq plan in August 2007: “I don’t want [my son] going [to Iraq],” Delaware Sen. Joe Biden said from the campaign trail Wednesday, according to a report on Radio Iowa. “But I tell you what, I don’t want my grandson or my granddaughters going back in 15 years and so how we leave makes a big difference.” Biden criticized Democratic rivals such as Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama who have voted against Iraq funding bills to try to pressure President Bush to end the war. “There’s no political point worth my son’s life,” Biden said, according to Radio Iowa. “There’s no political point worth anybody’s life out there. None.”

    Biden on Meet the Press, April 29, 2007: “The threat [Saddam Hussein] presented was that, if Saddam was left unfettered, which I said during that period, for the next five years with sanctions lifted and billions of dollars into his coffers, then I believed he had the ability to acquire a tactical nuclear weapon — not by building it, by purchasing it. I also believed he was a threat in that he was — every single solitary U.N. resolution which he agreed to abide by, which was the equivalent of a peace agreement at the United Nations, after he got out of — after we kicked him out of Kuwait, he was violating. Now, the rules of the road either mean something or they don’t. The international community says “We’re going to enforce the sanctions we placed” or not. And what was the international community doing? The international community was weakening. They were pulling away.”

    Biden to the Brookings Institution in 2005: “We can call it quits and withdraw from Iraq. I think that would be a gigantic mistake. Or we can set a deadline for pulling out, which I fear will only encourage our enemies to wait us out — equally a mistake.”

    Analyzing the surge on Meet the Press, September 9, 2007: “I mean, the truth of the matter is that, that the — America’s — this administration’s policy and the surge are a failure, and that the surge, which was supposed to stop sectarian violence and — long enough to give political reconciliation, there’s been no political reconciliation... The reality is that, although there has been some mild progress on the security front, there is, in fact, no, no real security in Baghdad and/or in Anbar province, where I was, dealing with the most serious problem, sectarian violence. Sectarian violence is as strong and as solid and as serious a problem as it was before the surge started.”

    Biden in October of 2002: “We must be clear with the American people that we are committing to Iraq for the long haul; not just the day after, but the decade after.”

    On Meet the Press, January 7, 2007, assessing the proposal of a surge of troops to Iraq: “If he surges another 20, 30, or whatever number he’s going to, into Baghdad, it’ll be a tragic mistake, in my view, but, as a practical matter, there’s no way to say, ‘Mr. President, stop.’”

    On Meet the Press, November 27, 2005: “Unless we fundamentally change the rotation dates and fundamentally change how many members of the National Guard we’re calling up, it’ll be virtually impossible to maintain 150,000 folks this year.” (The number of troops in Iraq peaked at 162,000 in August 2007, during the surge.)

    Having said all that: “There’s something decent at the core of Joe Biden.” — Jim Geraghty, December 13, 2007

    — Jim Geraghty writes the “Campaign Spot” blog for NRO.
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    Just in case anyone hasn't seen clips of Biden criticizing obama here you go
    YouTube - Joe Biden On Barack Obama
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    Out of all the people who could be choosen he picks Biden. The only way McCain is going to lose is if he is found in a parking lot screwing a dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Debbie View Post
    Out of all the people who could be choosen he picks Biden. The only way McCain is going to lose is if he is found in a parking lot screwing a dog.
    When Obama introduced Biden, he said "He has brought change to Washington for decades." There's an oxymoron in there somewhere..or maybe just a moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debbie View Post
    Out of all the people who could be choosen he picks Biden. The only way McCain is going to lose is if he is found in a parking lot screwing a dog.
    Don't you mean he would then win?

    Speaking as an outsider and seriously I would consider this as not a bad option as it seems that Mr Biden at least knows something of foreign affairs, but perhaps I am wrong and in the end it upto you to decide...Long may you have the right to do so!

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    well guys..... I wish you all good luck in your re-building of the Georgian economy!!??

    When Congress reconvenes, I intend to work with the Administration to seek Congressional approval for $1 billion in emergency assistance for Georgia, with a substantial down payment on that aid to be included in the Congress' next supplemental spending bill. This money will help the people of Georgia recover from the damage that has been inflicted on their economy and send a clear message that the United States will not abandon this young democracy. I hope this $1 billion commitment will be matched by others in the international community.
    Senator Biden

    billion shillion....who cares!!

    I think the UK should invite the Russians over for a few weeks......

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    OMG Dale....reading your post just made me realize what it would be like if Obama/Biden won in November. Obama almost introduced Biden as President of the US.

    Biden would end up running the country, and Obama would stay on vacation. Same ole politics?

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