Thread: Universal care cheaper and better than private insurance.

Originally Posted by Versus

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You never answered my question on how I can most effectively take advantage of your "universal health care" system.

I provide a response and all you have is Batman?

Just because you are too heartless to donate to charity that helps the poor doesn't mean everyone else is.

I still think that we have best of bith worlds, public (where you can choose) privat, and a high level of medical service. But I dont think that it is, for the moment, something that the u.s could copy. For ony the public insurances did nit appear out of nowhere but grew "naturaly" in the last 150 years, and more important:

I think you can it somewhat compare it to cars. Before everyone can get one, you have to find a way to make it cheaper so it fits for "mass production" and since the U.S. already spents more money per head on Healthcare than Germany while provding far less and covering a much smaller % of their population it would lead to a financial disaster.

So for a better healthcare system imho the U.S. needs first to trim its cost in the medical area.

Originally Posted by gunnut

You never answered my question on how I can most effectively take advantage of your "universal health care" system.

I provide a response and all you have is Batman?

Just because you are too heartless to donate to charity that helps the poor doesn't mean everyone else is.

I thought you were joking.
In the National Health Care system, since everyone is fully covered, the question how to most effectively take advantage of such system doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense because:
1. You are not taking advantage. Since it is universal, there is no hierarchy so you can't advance over someone else.
2. You can't use it most effectively, simply cause, by default the service is already at the maximum. Walking into the hospital that is under general health care you are guarantied to receive the best there is according to your needs.

So "scaling" or "measuring" actually doesn't exist here.

Originally Posted by gunnut

You never answered my question on how I can most effectively take advantage of your "universal health care" system.

I provide a response and all you have is Batman?

Just because you are too heartless to donate to charity that helps the poor doesn't mean everyone else is.

By the same token, dear heart, why bother to pay steep medical insurance fees when all these philanthropists are clamouring to pay for you?

Originally Posted by Tarek Morgen

I still think that we have best of bith worlds, public (where you can choose) privat, and a high level of medical service. But I dont think that it is, for the moment, something that the u.s could copy. For ony the public insurances did nit appear out of nowhere but grew "naturaly" in the last 150 years, and more important:

I think you can it somewhat compare it to cars. Before everyone can get one, you have to find a way to make it cheaper so it fits for "mass production" and since the U.S. already spents more money per head on Healthcare than Germany while provding far less and covering a much smaller % of their population it would lead to a financial disaster.

So for a better healthcare system imho the U.S. needs first to trim its cost in the medical area.

Nope, it works quite opposite to that logic. Since it is made to create profit, actual policy holders are least important. So as the US economy declines, more people will need heath insurance, the HMO's will lower their rates so that low paying people can buy their policies and than when they actually ask for help they will got declined becaouse of pre-existing conditions or other phony and pathetic excuses they can think of. If the medical treatment is covered by the HMO they define that as loss, so the less care they give the more money they earn. Than they will start to preach how, the people whom don't earn enough don't deserve the good health care, cause in order to get a better health care they need to find a better job and since they are not doing that it must be because they are lazy. And lazy people don't deserve to live. Without health care they will die or join the army of homeless people whom live on the streets and that is the proper place for the lazy bums. And that is how the cities crowded with lazy bums start to be smelly and filthy and that, hard working disciplined people don't want to live in them so they move to suburbs where they live among their own class. So city loses population, less people living in it means less money, city becomes expensive, the hard working people that buy SUV to drive to city where they work, they use city infrastructure but since they don't live in the city,they don't pay for it, cities get uglier and uglier and the city dies at the end.
Since hospitals are in the cities they get expensive too, doctors whom live in the suburbs need to pay for SUV's,gas, housing which drives the whole thing upwards.

The whole point in America is consumption. You need to consume more in order to get the system running. In order to consume more you need better paid jobs, better paid jobs mean that you will have more money to spend, the more money you spend the more money you need and a better job follows and whole system goes up and up till it crashes, which is currently in progress.
It is sad thing, they really had a chance yet they blew it.
They go on my nerves from time to time but I still love them, that is why I am so angry.