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  1. 03 Feb 06, 03:53 #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesman
    Well, what he means is, JFK actually OPPOSED our enemies, and was nominally an enemy of communism. He actually cut taxes (radically so), and wasn't for unilateral disarmament and pants-wetting every time Kruschev raised his voice.

    Compared to today's 'centrist' Democrats, JFK was a veritable war-mongerin' corporate shill that hated the Poor.
    Exactly my point. Also I was thinking of how they could market it. Teddy the Hutt has kinda given the Kennedy name a black eye and a stagger, but the "JFK Party" isn't completely unsellable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M21Sniper
    JFK a centrist?

    Oh, that's rich.
    I didn't believe this at first. But if you take his speeches and give them to a Republican running for president today, he would sound like a hawk. Times have truly changed when JFK is considered a rightwing warmonger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut
    I didn't believe this at first. But if you take his speeches and give them to a Republican running for president today, he would sound like a hawk. Times have truly changed when JFK is considered a rightwing warmonger.
    It seems inescapably obvious once you think about it.

    "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country."

    Point to any Democrat today aside from maybe Lieberman and ask him to utter that phrase without his head exploding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut
    I didn't believe this at first. But if you take his speeches and give them to a Republican running for president today, he would sound like a hawk. Times have truly changed when JFK is considered a rightwing warmonger.
    Yes but by THAT eras standards Kennedy was definitely not a centrist. EVERYONE was for strong defense back then. It was not until post LBJ(and really at the tail end his one term) that the Dems cowardly streak manifested itself. LBJ also took FDR socialism to staggering new heights during his admin.

    I swear, if i could go back and time and kill any one man in the cradle, LBJ would be the one.
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    About, Kennedy; no US President at that time could afford to compromise on Berlin or let the Sovs place IRBMS in Cuba. LBJ would have acted the same way.

    On the subject of Berlin, I have been meaning to ask the ex-US Servicemen on the board, was the Berlin Brigade a choice assignment? If it came to war, being in Berlin was a death sentence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparten
    On the subject of Berlin, I have been meaning to ask the ex-US Servicemen on the board, was the Berlin Brigade a choice assignment? If it came to war, being in Berlin was a death sentence.
    It would've been the dream assignment for me. I could've lived at home with grandma's cooking. It wasn't anymore of a death sentence than being a speed bump in the Fulda Gap which is what I got instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M21Sniper
    Yes but by THAT eras standards Kennedy was definitely not a centrist. EVERYONE was for strong defense back then. It was not until post LBJ(and really at the tail end his one term) that the Dems cowardly streak manifested itself. LBJ also took FDR socialism to staggering new heights during his admin.

    I swear, if i could go back and time and kill any one man in the cradle, LBJ would be the one.
    I couldn't agree more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparten
    On the subject of Berlin, I have been meaning to ask the ex-US Servicemen on the board, was the Berlin Brigade a choice assignment? If it came to war, being in Berlin was a death sentence.
    Yes, and Yes.

    A good buddy of mine by the name of Sgt Trinidad that i knew briefly from an inter-unit field trial at Fort Sill for the SINCGARS radio was assigned to the Berlin Brigade. He loved the assignment, but he did not hold out much hope of living very long once the shooting started. Last i saw of Sgt Trinidad he was off to Special Forces school, this would've been back in late 88 i guess. If he's still in he's probably a Sgt Major by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rother
    It would've been the dream assignment for me. I could've lived at home with grandma's cooking. It wasn't anymore of a death sentence than being a speed bump in the Fulda Gap which is what I got instead.
    You an old 11th ACR cav trooper?
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    Quote Originally Posted by M21Sniper
    You an old 11th ACR cav trooper?
    Next speed bump down the road. 3AD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rother
    Next speed bump down the road. 3AD
    LOL.

    I reckon all you lads woulda been statistics by the time they got us over there. Our European tasking was reinforcement of the Crazy 8th ID in Wildfliken.
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