Thread: Well-informed, patriotic, registered Democrat.

Originally Posted by Albany Rifles

Well this is where we can agree to disagree.

I consider myself all of them.

I read from many sources and base my decisions on my life expereinces, what I have learned and the strong moral compass which was given to me by my parents and my faith...though those are private matters.

A good friend of mine described me as a Sam Nunn Democrat...of course in the smae beath he said I was a Nelson Rockefeller Republican.

As for someone right now who is serving who fits these....I would say Jim Webb, Jay Rockefeller and Jon Tester to name a few.

The point to remember....and it has been forgotten by BOTH sides if the aisle, is we have different views but we ar ento enemies.

If a Democrat is well-informed, then he/she can see what's become of that moral sewer of a party. If that person can then still BE a Democrat, then, yeah, they're my enemy.

If a person is patriotic and loves the United States, but is ignorant of the fact that they can lend their support to a party that isn't, then, yeah, they're my enemy.

Here's my position: you simply canNOT support what they do when you know the details, and still say your objective is the best outcome for the country. Either you're deluded about what the party now advocates and stands for and what they are trying to do, OR you're of the mind that America is what's wrong with the world, and that you believe we're the horrible place that the Left says we are and always have been. You fear American power and primacy in the world, and believe that we're not the benign force for good that we are, and that we're no different from any other dominant hegemon throughout mankind's history.

Did anybody see the Colbert Report last night? I NEVER watch that drivel, but on the way past, I paused long enough to hear that tomorrow, we'll be celebrating genocide and racism and conquest. This is the view of the Left, and the Democrats are the Party of the Left. You see what they think of their country, their military, their government, their heritage, their history and their fellow citizens everytime they open their mouths, or put pen to paper. They despise this country, its history, people, culture...EVERYthing about it.

Am I the only one that sees this? Do you not notice that a Democrat seeks to emulate an effete, effeminate, emasculated, ennervated Europe, that he/she wishes that we would comply with World Courts and United Nations and the lowest common denominator of 'world opinion' in matters that are properly within our national sovreignty? Does a Democrat believe in American exceptionalism, or does he believe in American culpability in every manner of crime, both at home and abroad?

When you see the term 'Amerika', or 'Amerikkka', or the 'United States' with the esses made into lightning bolt runes, it'll be a Democratic party supporter that wrote it. When you see the country disparaged as evil, a Democrat said it. When I pointed out the absurdity of a John Kerry political career in the GOP after his testimony before Congress in '73, nobody seemed to really understand what I meant. But the point is, to do as he and his ilk do and be anything BUT a Democrat is laughable. And to FAIL to do that as a Democrat is laughable, as well; it's the must-have blocks you have to check on your resume' to be accepted.

Who will it be that will go overseas, sometimes into an adversary country, and get themselves plastered all over their state-run propaganda organs with admissions of American perfidy, wrongdoing and failure? It will ALWAYS be a Democrat.

If the military is maligned and accused of exactly the same things our enemies - OUR ENEMIES! - accuse them of, which party does the speaker/writer identify with?

I could go on, and I'm so dam' bitter about having lived through the horror show that the Democrats made out of the 'Seventies, and to which they look back with fond nostalgia on the time when they were ascendant and did such immense damage to the country, and to which they fervently seek to return, but I'll let you answer if you're of a mind to.

Pick any two, but friend, if you're asking me to believe that you're all three, NO SALE. Democrats are either anti-American on purpose (in which case they're not patriotic), or by accident (because they're not up-to-speed on what the party does, and how, and why). But Democrats simply cannot do what they do and say that they're about doing the best they can in good faith for the country.

Last point: if you'd like for me to return to posting the Daily Democratic War-Losing Measure again, I certainly could, because there's no shortage of material to work with. Each and every day, a Democrat can be counted on to do something against the interests of the country, and NO, I'm not perpared to believe that it's merely a difference of opinion, that somehow, if I looked at it in a different perspective, I'd see that, by golly, they WERE trying to do a Good Thing for the good ole US of A, and I'm just too right-wing-reactionary to understand it. So what do you say: would you care for me to tell you what the Democrats did today to screw the country over? Tomorrow? The day after, and on and on and on? Because this is as certain as my loathing for them: they won't let me down. There will be SOMEthing to point out, and after awhile, don't you, as an American, think that MAYBE you've pledged your support to people that simply don't want America to succeed?

So, do you consider yourself to be patriotic, well-informed, or supportive of Democratic Party objectives and points-of-view? If you pick either or both of the first two, you can't choose the third, because they're just not compatible.

Bluesman-

I see your point, and in large part agree with it, but I do think that it's a little unfair to expect every Democrat to drop their party affiliation quite so fast.

For instance, let's look at everyone's favorite Democrat, President Bill Clinton.

Is he well-informed? Yes. I don't think anyone ever questioned his intellectual ability or scope.

Is he a registered Democrat? I assume yes.

Is he patriotic? Here's the stickler. Now, I am not one who thinks of patriotism is some sort of magic antimatter thingie that can't be touched. The morons dancing their commie-monkey useful idiot protest dance in Olympia, WA right now are NOT patriots. Michael Moore is NOT a patriot. Sean Penn is NOT a patriot. They and their ilk actively and deliberately act against America's interests.

There are other examples.

But for all his personal and political failings, for all the domestic and international damage he may or may not have caused or enabled, I think President Clinton is a patriot. I think it's a bit of a disservice to imply he's not. I think that his vision of America that he believes in and defends is close enough to what it's supposed to be (Land of the Free, Home of the Brave) that it qualifies as a touch of "America, right or wrong", and I think the same can be said of a lot of the polarizing figures we yak about a lot.

I mean, simplify the imagery. If the barbarians were swarming over the walls and you were in the midst of an argument with one of the Olympia trash or Michael Moore, etc., do you think they'd grab a spear and face off against the barbarians with you? Or would they run away? Or turn on you?

I think they'd be more likely to do the latter.

But plenty of smart, well-informed registered Dems would do the former; defend the camp and the flag against the barbarians WITH you. Sure they might continue the annoying and silly argument while you're skewering barbarians (think of what a fun buddy movie that would make!), but they'd be there poking alongside you: Clinton, Lieberman and some of my Dem friends would be there with us, and my best friend's mom would be slitting their throats as they dropped (she's tiny but tough).

To me that's patriotism.

In my opinion, to suggest anything less is bordering on the reflexive intolerance of "different is evil!" that the far Left has so effectively embraced. That intolerance IS percolating up into the mainstream Democratic Party, and it makes them ugly.

Let's not be ugly like them.

-dale