Democrat apparently wins by 8 votes in Washington state

**nickshepAK** · 31 Dec 04, 20:29

Originally Posted by dalem

Just pointing out the bare-faced facts of cheating, that's all. I've listened to 4+ years of snot-nosed Lefty conspiracy crap about election results that were honest - I feel it's quite reasonable to point out the facts of an election that is clearly crooked.

-dale

So you are telling me had the roles been switched and Rossi lost the first 2 recounts and then won the third you would still claim the election was crooked? ...Right...

... Im not saying either side is right. I think there should be a re-vote. I dont see how either candidate could be proud of winning an election like this.

**highsea** · 31 Dec 04, 22:31

Originally Posted by nickshepAK

I believe that all the votes should be counted regardless if they are likely to go republican or democratic. I believe the soldiers should have their votes counted just like the lost ballots in King county should have been counted.

But what do you do when the number of votes exceeds the number of voters? The data shows that 895,660 people voted in King County, but the tally by the election commission was for 899,199 votes. So how do you get 3,539 more votes than voters? And who are those 500+ people "living at the courthouse"?

There were 31,910 absentee ballots sent overseas, but election officials are refusing to say how many were returned and how many were counted.

The reps have at least 300 affidavits right now from voters who say their votes weren't counted, based on the Secretary of State's published lists.

The election officials are also refusing to hand over the list of "enhanced" ballots. Those are the ballots that were unreadable, and canvassers examined them for "voter intent", and made new ballots based on their assumptions. That in itself is a very shady process, imo. It means that if a voter intentionally chose not to cast a vote in the governor race, one was cast for him.

I don't know, like I said, no one expected a rep victory anyway, not in Washington. But there are a lot of unanswered questions in Washingtonian's minds.

**Bluesman** · 31 Dec 04, 22:35

Originally Posted by nickshepAK

So you are telling me had the roles been switched and Rossi lost the first 2 recounts and then won the third you would still claim the election was crooked? ...Right...

... Im not saying either side is right. I think there should be a re-vote. I dont see how either candidate could be proud of winning an election like this.

dalem can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think his point was not who won and lost, but HOW it was decided. Which was CROOKED, Nick.

See, when my guy wins legitimately after a wicked long legal controversy and I have to listen to the whiny *****ing of people that HAVE NO LEG TO STAND ON because the process was legit all the way down the line to the end, I'm in no mood to hear from a Democrat that I've just got sour grapes and I'm a hypocrite for pointing out REAL CHEATING.

Frankly, I think you should apologize.

Do I have that about right, dalem?

**nickshepAK** · 31 Dec 04, 22:49

Originally Posted by Bluesman

dalem can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think his point was not who won and lost, but HOW it was decided. Which was CROOKED, Nick.

See, when my guy wins legitimately after a wicked long legal controversy and I have to listen to the whiny *****ing of people that HAVE NO LEG TO STAND ON because the process was legit all the way down the line to the end, I'm in no mood to hear from a Democrat that I've just got sour grapes and I'm a hypocrite for pointing out REAL CHEATING.

Frankly, I think you should apologize.

Do I have that about right, dalem?

Where is the cheating? Since when is counting ALL the votes cheating.... When a Democrat comes out on top...?

Im sorry Dale for asking you if the roles were switched what your opinions would be..

Im sorry Blue for all the votes being counted and your guy not comming out on top...

**dalem** · 01 Jan 05, 08:41

Originally Posted by nickshepAK

So you are telling me had the roles been switched and Rossi lost the first 2 recounts and then won the third you would still claim the election was crooked? ...Right...

... Im not saying either side is right. I think there should be a re-vote. I dont see how either candidate could be proud of winning an election like this.

Sure - finding ballots, ballots that can't be verified address-wise; those are shifty things in any election, on any side.

Why deny what is in front of your very eyes: all elections are shifty to some degree, and this time the Washington election is shifty enough that it has affected the vote.

-dale

**dalem** · 01 Jan 05, 08:42

Originally Posted by Bluesman

dalem can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think his point was not who won and lost, but HOW it was decided. Which was CROOKED, Nick.

See, when my guy wins legitimately after a wicked long legal controversy and I have to listen to the whiny *****ing of people that HAVE NO LEG TO STAND ON because the process was legit all the way down the line to the end, I'm in no mood to hear from a Democrat that I've just got sour grapes and I'm a hypocrite for pointing out REAL CHEATING.

Frankly, I think you should apologize.

Do I have that about right, dalem?

Apologies are unnecessary, but yeah, that's about what I was thinking.

-dale

**Confed999** · 01 Jan 05, 16:54

Originally Posted by nickshepAK

Where is the cheating?

3,500 extra votes, someone was cheating...

**nickshepAK** · 01 Jan 05, 18:29

Originally Posted by dalem

Sure - finding ballots, ballots that can't be verified address-wise; those are shifty things in any election, on any side.

Why deny what is in front of your very eyes: all elections are shifty to some degree, and this time the Washington election is shifty enough that it has affected the vote.

-dale

What do you think they should do? If I was either candidate I would be satisfied with a revote. I dont see how either candidate can be proud of winning an election like this. Maybe one of the candidates could be appointed Lt. Govenor?

**Praxus** · 01 Jan 05, 18:56

What's really funny is that there were 3,000 more ballots from King County then there are voters.

**nickshepAK** · 01 Jan 05, 20:04

Originally Posted by Praxus

What's really funny is that there were 3,000 more ballots from King County then there are voters.

Phantom votes have been found in some counties in New Mexico too. Maybe the entire election should be overturned .... (in my dreams

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**highsea** · 01 Jan 05, 20:11

Originally Posted by nickshepAK

Maybe one of the candidates could be appointed Lt. Govenor?

You can't do that. The Lt. Gov is a separate race, and already decided. It's more of a symbolic post anyway, about all he does is head the legislature and meet with civic leaders, cut a few ribbons, etc. He has no power.

What we should do, is have a hand recount according the the LAW as it was written at the time of the election. No exceptions. The legislature can change the law if they think it needs changed. That is not the job of the courts.

That means. NO BALLOTS that were not included in the original count, period. All of the late, surprise ballots should be tossed out. All absenteee ballots that did not arrive on time should be tossed out. All unreadable ballots that were "enhanced" should be tossed out. All of the provisionals that were re-done should be tossed out.

If a voter is too stupid to cast a vote properly, he is too stupid to be choosing our leaders. Elections are not a perfect process, and this is what happens when you try to make them that way. Yes, some votes will not be counted. This is not a perfect democracy, and it never will be. Those voters whose votes get tossed out will just have to do a better job next time, or STFU!

**nickshepAK** · 01 Jan 05, 20:18

Originally Posted by highsea

You can't do that. The Lt. Gov is a separate race, and already decided. It's more of a symbolic post anyway, about all he does is head the legislature and meet with civic leaders, cut a few ribbons, etc. He has no power.

Yeah... I was just throwing some ideas out there. I feel sorry for both candidates. Both have "won" the election at least once but, in the end one is going to be the loser. Just doesnt make any sense.

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