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#2 for me
Here's a start, from the 1998 Congressional investigation, regrettably conducted because every last one of the 120+ PRC bag-men had already lammed it out of town.Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers
Excerpt:
How do you take your scotch? Neat, I presume, correct? I like a little ice.Sioeng's relationship to the Government of the People's Republic of China has been the subject of press speculation since early 1997.\3\ Based on its own investigation, as discussed more fully elsewhere in the report,\4\ the Committee has learned that Sioeng worked, and perhaps still works, on behalf of the Chinese government.
Sioeng regularly communicated with PRC embassy and consular officials at various locations in the United States, and, before the campaign finance investigation broke, he traveled to Beijing frequently where he reported to and was briefed by Chinese communist party officials...
Contributions to:
Norman Hsu--a $7,500 check was written on Sioeng San Wong's account to Friends of Norman Hsu on March 11, 1995.90 Hsu is a former president of the Chinese-American Association.
Last edited by Bluesman; 13 Sep 07, at 06:25.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
James Steven Griles Plea Deal 3/07
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the...tual_basis.pdf
#2 for me
bluesman,
sorry, no scotch for you today. note this was written by a certain bill gertz, not exactly a panda-hugger.How do you take your scotch? Neat, I presume, correct? I like a little ice.
Chinese donor sounds like '96*-*-*The Washington Times, America's Newspaper
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But that Norman Hsu was not the same person who is linked to recent questionable Democratic campaign fundraising. The Norman Hsu mentioned in the Senate report was a Republican political candidate in California who has no connection to the Mr. Hsu currently under scrutiny.
The human mind cannot grasp the causes of phenomena in the aggregate. But the need to find these causes is inherent in man’s soul. And the human intellect, without investigating the multiplicity and complexity of the conditions of phenomena, any one of which taken separately may seem to be the cause, snatches at the first, the most intelligible approximation to a cause, and says: “This is the cause!"
-Leo Tolstoy
War and Peace
Astralis, thank you for that.
BLASPHEMY! Scotch is meant to be enjoyed at room temperature. You have to get the aroma into the air 1st.
Chimo
I know. I was bein' all provocative-like.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
No, it was NOT written by Gertz, but if it WAS, it would be more credible than you suggest. He doesn't miss very often. I say that grudgingly, too, because the guy has been a pain-in-the-ass to the Intelligence Community for YEARS, BUT his stuff is almost always right on the money. (And here's a note that perhaps the New York Times could get hip to: he doesn't report stuff he knows IF he knows it would be harmful to the United States.)
I wrote this about him way back in Nov '06:
AND:Bill Gertz has an enviable record for accuracy. If he wrote it, then I'm inclined to believe it. Not saying he's infallible, because nobody is. But he used to drive NSA crazy with his reports while I was there, and even if he and we weren't exactly friendly, I never considered him our adversary. Like, say, the New York Times is. And he wasn't publishing everything he could, because he had no wish to damage national security, merely to report to US citizens what he could and should have about us. ALSO in stark contrast to the NYT.
AND:Gertz has AMAZING sources, and he has been as stalwart as any journalist in protecting them, even when he knew he wasn't all that popular with the US government - possibly even about to get served with papers. (He never has, which should instruct all those cub reporters on how to do a good job.)
He has my grudging respect. You're right - he does know stuff he should not. But he's careful with it, if US lives are on the line. He has embarrassed NSA, CIA, DIA, and others, but has NOT damaged them. I believe he truly fulfills the role a journalist legitimately fills: the People's watchdog.
So, you can't bad-mouth the veracity of my honorable adversary Gertz without me throwing a BS flag.Actually, I'll go further:
If I were in a position to know about and need to expose some malfeasance on the government's part, and I didn't trust the IG system or 'whistleblower' laws to protect me, I'd call Gertz.
The story would be accurate, and Gertz would likely be dead before he threw me under the bus.
I read that, too, and THEN read that NO, it really IS the same guy: President of the Chinese-American whatever during those years. Hillary's Hsu, after all.Chinese donor sounds like '96*-*-*The Washington Times, America's Newspaper
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But that Norman Hsu was not the same person who is linked to recent questionable Democratic campaign fundraising. The Norman Hsu mentioned in the Senate report was a Republican political candidate in California who has no connection to the Mr. Hsu currently under scrutiny.
We'll have to wait and see, I guess, but right now, you're right: no scotch for me.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
Oh, I see what you were saying: YOUR article was written by Gertz. Got it.
I just got up, man - cut me some slack.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
Well, wake up ! and while you and OoE are drinking your scotch, I have to go ahead and post another one. Not meaning to jump one ahead of you Blues, but Craig has a hearing 9/26 to attempt to have his guilty plea reversed and if he does, he won't count. So here.Oh, I see what you were saying: YOUR article was written by Gertz. Got it.
I just got up, man - cut me some slack.
Republican Larry Craig, Idaho.
That's #3 for me.
ahhh, pissing contests, washington-style. ain't nothing like it to lower one's faith in one's elected representatives.
The human mind cannot grasp the causes of phenomena in the aggregate. But the need to find these causes is inherent in man’s soul. And the human intellect, without investigating the multiplicity and complexity of the conditions of phenomena, any one of which taken separately may seem to be the cause, snatches at the first, the most intelligible approximation to a cause, and says: “This is the cause!"
-Leo Tolstoy
War and Peace
I'm taking that point away from you, because this is about corruption, not grotty little sexual peccadillos.Well, wake up ! and while you and OoE are drinking your scotch, I have to go ahead and post another one. Not meaning to jump one ahead of you Blues, but Craig has a hearing 9/26 to attempt to have his guilty plea reversed and if he does, he won't count. So here.
Republican Larry Craig, Idaho.
That's #3 for me.
Like I said before, your party - unless playing 'gotcha' games against Republicans for political advantage - has no problem whatsoever with cruising for gay sex in public places. If it ever DID, they'd lose a lot of support from a hysterical Gay Rights lobby.
Still 2-to-1; my serve.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
I'll go with the obvious: Hillary's obviously-corrupt acceptance of contributions from a known felon.
Tied up again; your serve.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
And again, the most important thing to me is the different reactions.
Republicans: Turned their backs on Cunningham, pressured him to resign, and did not defend his actions.
Democrats: Did not distance themselves from Jefferson, appointed him to committees still. No pressure for him to resign.
-dale
Why not? Craig was one of the ones who headed up the impeachment of Clinton. But if you don't want to count hypocrits of moral interpitudes, then fine....stricken from record.
I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby sentenced 6/5/07. 3-2
Some can afford to live on the edge....some can not. I would like to point out that the Republicans conservatives base is SUPPOSED to represent strong moral values, family values, etc., etc. This is why Republicans are held is such a higher regard in response to acts of wrong-doing.
NOT. CORRUPTION.
Still tied, and if you double-fault on the serve, WE serve.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
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