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    Back on topic (from Malkin):
    Hillary was warned about Hsu; Update: Clinton campaign wants to re-purpose the dirty money
    By Michelle Malkin • September 12, 2007 07:33 AM Update: Un-freaking-believable…
    The campaign is refunding $850,000 to [Hsu’s bundled] donors, viewing the money as tainted. Yet the campaign is also risking another public relations mess by saying that it would take back the money if it clearly came from the donor’s bank account, not from Mr. Hsu or another source. The risk is that Mrs. Clinton will appear to want more cash no matter whether it was once colored by a disgraced donor.

    The campaign will try to get most of the donors to give the money back right after the refunds, said a senior Democratic strategist who advises Mrs. Clinton’s campaign. “That’s the plan,” the strategist said.
    See-Dubya follows the tainted rinse-and-spin cycle:
    If the worry is that Hsu was using at least some of these people as fronts so that he could exceed the federal limits on how much he could donate to Hillary, then how will the money be any less tainted if they re-gift it to her? I.e., if Hsu cuts John Doe a check for $100,000 and asks him to spread it around among Democrats A-Z, then giving that money back to John so that he can give it right back to you doesn’t “cleanse” it. It’s Hsu’s money; John never should have had it in the first place. If you donate the money to charity and then hit John up for a donation from his own bank account, that’s fine. But that ain’t what she’s planning to do. Exit question: Why not at least wait until the DOJ investigation of Hsu’s bundled donations is over so you know which donors are clean and which aren’t?
    Answer: Because they don’t care.

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    No plausible deniability.

    I got an e-mail from a law enforcement source this week wondering how Hillary Clinton could possibly have been ignorant of Norman Hsu’s shenanigans given that both she and her husband are protected by Secret Service:
    Hsu as a key Dem fundraiser had access to VIP among the Dem party like the Clintons. Both Mr. and Mrs. Clinton are protected by the Secret Service. SOP for law enforcement protection details is to check the criminal background of those who might come in contact with the protectees.

    As you probably are already aware, it is well known that usually the Secret Service asks for, at a minimum, full legal name, DOB and SSN of those who get anywhere near/attend events with, SS protectees, so they can run a record check. (FYI the Secret Service record check is, ‘unofficially’, considered one of the most extensive that can be done by US law enforcement.)

    So if the Secret Service knew for years that Hsu was a wanted FUGITIVE why did they:

    1. Not do anything?

    2. Allow him anywhere near any important (high value) targets like either of the Clintons?

    Alternatively, if the SS did not do its basic ‘due diligence’ check then the questions are even more pointed:

    1. Why not? Who ordered them not to do it, and why? (What did the Clinton’s know and when did they know it?)

    2. Was the Clinton (and by extension the Democrat fundraising machine) so focused on money that they would violate basic security protacal… letting a wanted, fugitive, felon (of questionable background — from part of the world where their are many hostile to US governmental interests) get into the “inner circle” simply because of the cash?
    My source’s suspicions are on target. And a new story out today by the NYDailyNews underscores them:
    Hillary Clinton’s campaign couldn’t explain yesterday why it blew off warnings about felon-turned-fund-raiser Norman Hsu - and the Daily News learned FBI agents are collecting e-mail evidence in the widening scandal.

    Clinton was forced Monday to give back a whopping $850,000 raised by convicted scam artist Hsu after learning his investment ventures were being probed by the FBI as a potential Ponzi scheme.

    She earlier gave to charity $23,000 Hsu donated himself after reports revealed he fled sentencing for a $1 million scam in California in 1992.

    Yesterday, the campaign insisted it did all it should to vet Hsu after California businessman Jack Cassidy warned in June that Hsu’s investment operation was fishy. Cassidy e-mailed his tips to the California Democratic Party, which forwarded them to the Clinton campaign.

    Cassidy did not want to talk about the case, saying he doesn’t want to jeopardize the FBI’s efforts. But he wants Hsu prosecuted. He told The News that Hsu was a reverse Robin Hood - “a hood robbin’ the poor to give to the rich.”

    His warning “prompted a search of publicly available information, which did not reveal Mr. Hsu’s decade-plus-old warrant,” said Clinton adviser Howard Wolfson. He would not say why the campaign didn’t follow up on specifics Cassidy included to explain his suspicions.

    “They knew [about Hsu], and they knew back in June,” a source told The News.
    The WSJ has followed the money trail…to a financier of the Woodstock festival.
    See-Dubya digs deeper. And Judicial Watch is now on the case:
    Longtime Clinton foe Judicial Watch signaled it will join G-men and journalists on Hsu’s trail and try to pressure the Justice Department and Senate Ethics Committee to take action.

    “Were they knowingly benefiting from illegal straw donor contributions? Were they put on notice?” asked Tom Fitton, president of the conservative watchdog group.
    Hill’s people play CYA in this WaPo piece.

    Meantime, Hillary says she’s returning $850,000. Don’t trust. Verify.

    Investigative blogger Flip Pidot runs the numbers again and lays out the next step:
    The next best step toward cleaning up this mess would be for the campaign to release the list of all 260 Hsu-associated contributors so we can help Senator Clinton’s less forthcoming colleagues tabulate their own refunds owed.
    Let’s cough it up, Hill, shall we?
    "The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
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    Did anyone return the $579,750 that Enron paid to the Republican Party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie View Post
    Did anyone return the $579,750 that Enron paid to the Republican Party?
    I believe you'll find that Enron was allowed to legally give to BOTH parties - and DID.

    Hsu was breaking the law.

    Not a tough distinction to make, particularly to somebody that has passed the bar.
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    Fair enough.

    It's just hard choking this down when the Republicans have been the steady Party of Corruption these past years.

    I mean men like Tom DeLay's sock puppet Roy Blunt and John Boehner, the GOP bribery-king who was caught handing out checks from Big Tobacco on the floor of the House of Representatives... during a debate!

    Come on Blues, you can't pay attention to polls. Any Republican can tell you that. Hillary still has a long way to go before I would get into paranoid mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie View Post
    Fair enough.

    It's just hard choking this down when the Republicans have been the steady Party of Corruption these past years.

    I mean men like Tom DeLay's sock puppet Roy Blunt and John Boehner, the GOP bribery-king who was caught handing out checks from Big Tobacco on the floor of the House of Representatives... during a debate!

    Come on Blues, you can't pay attention to polls. Any Republican can tell you that. Hillary still has a long way to go before I would get into paranoid mode.
    The Republican corruption just gets more and biased press coverage. How many Dems called for "Frozen Franklins" Jefferson to resign?

    Pol corruption does not belong to one party or the other, but consistancy on the matter belongs to the Republicans, and the press belongs to the Democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalem View Post
    The Republican corruption just gets more and biased press coverage. How many Dems called for "Frozen Franklins" Jefferson to resign?

    Pol corruption does not belong to one party or the other, but consistancy on the matter belongs to the Republicans, and the press belongs to the Democrats.

    -dale
    Enter Dale to the rescue.

    I knew Jefferson would come up. Okay, you want to play tag for tag. I will probably beat you 10-1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie View Post
    Enter Dale to the rescue.

    I knew Jefferson would come up. Okay, you want to play tag for tag. I will probably beat you 10-1.
    Okay then...let's go.

    And no 'appearance of wrong-doing' crap, either. Conviction in court not necessary, but raw, naked political corruption, whether there is a 'controlling legal authority' or not. (Look up that phrase; it's my first entry in the race.)
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    Winner gets a tin of butter cookies from the loser. dalem, you want to play? Anybody want to be on Julie's side?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesman View Post
    Okay then...let's go.

    And no 'appearance of wrong-doing' crap, either. Conviction in court not necessary, but raw, naked political corruption, whether there is a 'controlling legal authority' or not. (Look up that phrase; it's my first entry in the race.)
    LOL....does foot-tapping in a bathroom stall count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie View Post
    LOL....does foot-tapping in a bathroom stall count?
    Not unless you consider trying to pick up guys for gay sex a form of corruption.

    Most Democrats don't, but if you want to count it, I think I'll win on THAT score, too.

    Your call.
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    If we don't have a starting point, we may be going WAY back to cite examples of each other's politically-preferred party's corruption cases, so I propose we have a period from which we start to count 'em up.

    So, I hereby propose a rule that you'll think will benefit you: we'll only start from 2006, and that gives you the richest possible concentration of Republican versus Democrat ratio to go with. Should be a slam-dunk for you. (And I won't hold you to the ten-to-one boast - we both know it's hyperbole, and it'll be MUCH closer; as a matter of fact, I know right now that I'll win.)
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    Could be fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalem View Post
    Could be fun.

    -dale
    I think you guys will need a referee and No,I am not volunteering,I don't look good in stripes .
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    Okay I'll start.

    Cunningham Plea Deal
    http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the...ntencememo.pdf

    Dated 2/06.

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    That's one for Julie. 'Dollar Bill' Jefferson for us. Tie game; your serve.
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