Ah.Originally Posted by astralis
Just the garden variety corruption, then, not actual foreign influence.
Swell; we can all go back to sleep, I suppose.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
bluesman,
sure, it is a big concern, and i noticed a while back you and julie going back and forth about it quite endlessly.Ah.
Just the garden variety corruption, then, not actual foreign influence.
Swell; we can all go back to sleep, I suppose.
but it's not the same as foreign influence (and i know you agree with me here, or else you wouldn't have started this seperate thread on it) ).
The human mind cannot grasp the causes of phenomena in the aggregate. But the need to find these causes is inherent in man’s soul. And the human intellect, without investigating the multiplicity and complexity of the conditions of phenomena, any one of which taken separately may seem to be the cause, snatches at the first, the most intelligible approximation to a cause, and says: “This is the cause!"
-Leo Tolstoy
War and Peace
Agree wih you that there IS a difference in degree, but that's all. Hillary is corrupt, so if her entire bloody party, and that's really my point.bluesman,
sure, it is a big concern, and i noticed a while back you and julie going back and forth about it quite endlessly.
but it's not the same as foreign influence (and i know you agree with me here, or else you wouldn't have started this seperate thread on it
Also, I just heard of a new measurement increment for money: $850,000 equals one Hsu.
Now, THAT is FUNNY.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
When will we all have had enough? I reached that point a long time ago. But there are still people that believe this can be excused, defended, explained...
The Chinatown Dodge
Hillary Clinton keeps having problems with donations from the Asian-American community. First her biggest bundler, Norman Hsu, turns out to be a convicted con man and the donations he bundled appear to have come from families whose modest incomes do not lend themselves to the large donations he claimed. Now another set of donors from similar communities appears to have been a front for other bagmen (via Power Line):
Knock-off watches. Pirated goods. Phony addresses. Straw donors.A search of Chinatown donors yesterday by The Post found several bogus addresses and some contributions that raised eyebrows.
Shin K. Cheng is listed twice in federal records for giving $1,000 donations to Clinton's campaign on April 17.
But the address recorded on campaign reports is a clinic for sexually transmitted diseases, hemorrhoids and skin disease.
No one at the address knew of a Shin K. Cheng.
Another donation came from a Shih Kan Chang on Canal Street. But the address listed is a shop that sells knock-off watches and other pirated goods. The sales clerk there did not know the donor.
Hsiao Yen Wang, a cook in Chinatown, is listed as giving Clinton $1,000 on April 13. Contacted yesterday, she told The Post she had written a check.
But it was on behalf of a man named David Guo, president of the Fujian American Cuisine Council, and Wang told The Post that Guo had repaid her for the $1,000 contribution.
Such "straw donations" are strictly prohibited by federal law.
What does that say about the Hillary Clinton campaign? Once could have been a mistake. Twice looks like a pattern. Taking into account 1996 and the same kinds of criminal activity in her husband's re-election effort, three times is a bad habit and not a mistake at all.
Nominating Clintons to the White House three times doesn't qualify as a mistake for Democrats, either. This demonstrates a lack of ethical oversight on the part of their party that reflects the kind of governance they represent. If Hillary wins the nomination after having her campaign conduct these kinds of criminal and ethical violations, then that tells Americans quite a bit about their threshold for corruption in pursuit of power.
And where does this money originate? Who wants Hillary elected so badly that they keep using Asian-Americans as straw donors to flood her coffers with their cash? Who has this much cash to dump into the presidential election? Perhaps the FBI will start looking for those answers -- and soon.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
They should be brought up on charges and tried, no question. However, what does this say about whomever runs against Hillery and the people still think she is the better person for the job and vote her into office?
I don't think it says much about her opponents, but it tells me that her supporters can allow themselves to be fooled, even when all the evidence is there before them.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
The voters can also look at both candidates objectively and think that even with all of Hillery's faults, she is still the lesser of the two evils. The fact is that is how a huge voting block thinks of the republican party. The last two elections were awful close. The party who wins next year will be the party that reaches out to the moderates. That means making some compromises and stepping back from the far right or the far left.
Correct....and Hillary's is aiming straight for the middle.
Well said Julie , you would make a good gunner , always aim for the center of the observed massCorrect....and Hillary's is aiming straight for the middle.
TANKIE. ECO WARRIOR , SAVE THE TREES
$5000 federal dollars for babies.Correct....and Hillary's is aiming straight for the middle.
Socialized medicine.
Gun control.
Intentionally losing a war.
Straight for the middle, sure.
-dale
The worst thing you can do is underestimate her. The more criticism about her, the higher her polls soar. The best thing to do if you don't want her President is ignore her, but we both know that's impossible, now don't we.
Most importantly, don't forget, she was born and raised a Republican, so she does know how to do the two-step.
How am I underestimating her?The worst thing you can do is underestimate her. The more criticism about her, the higher her polls soar. The best thing to do if you don't want her President is ignore her, but we both know that's impossible, now don't we.
Ignoring the opposition's presidential candidate is kinda silly don'tcha think?
-dale
Hillary makes mention, quite frequently, of all the attention she is getting from the male candidates. If you access the RNC website, everything mentions Hillary Clinton, moreso than what the Republicans' policy objectives are. That's a turn-off to me from the get-go.
Unless, of course, it is moving, in which case aim where you think it might be when your shot arrives. In Hillary's case that might be hard, as she changes directions often.Well said Julie , you would make a good gunner , always aim for the center of the observed mass
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
It had to happen. Can't attack a woman. Bad form.Hillary makes mention, quite frequently, of all the attention she is getting from the male candidates. If you access the RNC website, everything mentions Hillary Clinton, moreso than what the Republicans' policy objectives are. That's a turn-off to me from the get-go.
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
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