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"Or does he REALLY think this way?"

One blanket-party too many, I'd say. It changed him forever.

Originally Posted by S-2

"Or does he REALLY think this way?"

One blanket-party too many, I'd say. It changed him forever.

I believe it was his 'Grapes of Wrath' epiphany, combined with the indoctrination from academia. THAT seems to have been too powerful a combination for a weak intellect.

Look at his last two posts here.

IMHO-he's outta here.

Originally Posted by Blademaster

Perhaps they were never there to begin with. Perhaps some innovative number crunching to show Saddam that he has those weapons but in reality never did because of ineptness or inability to produce those weapons. Too afraid to tell Saddam the truth. Better to tell Saddam a lie.

No, we knew he had them. The Kurds suffered big time because they had them.

Originally Posted by Blademaster

Did the soldiers manning those shells know they were chemical weapons?

There was paper work indicating the shells were maintained and signed for after they were supposed to be destroyed.

Originally Posted by Blademaster

Keeping something in reserve or up his sleeve such as belligerently posturing. We all know Saddam is a bad poker player when playing on the world stage.

It was a violation of the terms of surrender and he knew it.

Originally Posted by Blademaster

He very well knew that the Americans were reading his signals and communiques. Perhaps he wanted to scare them or just doing his bluster. I mean take a look at Baghdad Bob telling the whole world that the US Army was in retreat or defeat blah blah blah.

That was his intent, to scare off the Americans.

Originally Posted by Blademaster

The point is that despite all the search the Coalition has done, we just came up with 12 shells and one missile out of the supposed tens of thousands of shells and hundreds of missiles.

Oh, we found lots though not in the quantities that we had thought. Not enough to wage chemical warfare on the scale of WWIII but more than enough to give us shivers. There was one IED made from a 155 chemical shell filled with sarin.

Originally Posted by Blademaster

The moral of the story is that it doesn't really matter where the key is as long as you can have something to look for. The Bush administration was spoiling for a fight and Saddam didn't quite understand that. He thought he could keep playing the rope and dope game. He did not realize that the Americans were looking for any excuse to blow the **** up any enemy and feel good about it. Saddam unwittingly gave them when he refused to let in the inspectors. And those Iraqi defectors guilelessly guided Saddam to that end.

Here's the part that confuses everybody ... even me. Even knowing what I know today and going back to before the invasion, I cannot or would not make any other eval other than Saddam had chems.

Originally Posted by AmosGraber

Give me time; give me time. It will be my life's goal as an historian....Thinking the book will be entitled, "Hang me High: Why Dubya should share the same fate as Saddam."

Actually Dale you gotta be kidding? Right? Or are you still under the belief they just made a mistake about WMD's? Wake up smell the coffee it was intentional propaganda, which worked on alot of people.

Never underestimate stupid and misinformed people in mass numbers!

Plato believed a true democracy always leads to dictatorship!

Sorry you didn't pick up on their misleading deceptions and lies, you weren't listening to talk radio were you, most those people didn't get it either.

Here is a lesson they picked up from a Nazi:

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country-Hermann Goering

Please pay close attention to what is in bold, this was central to the Bush's adminstration ability to implement their agenda.

So, if I disagree with you, I'm stupid? Misinformed?

-dale

Originally Posted by AmosGraber

Actually that is just being plain wrong, not treason. Treason is something like, umm let me see....Manipulating an entire country, for the single goal of going to war.

History teaches that war begins when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.-Ronald Reagan

In all history there is no war which was not hatched by the governments, the governments alone, independent of the interests of the people...
- Leo Tolstoy

The first casualty when war comes is truth. ~Hiram Johnson

The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem; it is generally employed only by small children and large nations. ~David Friedman

During times of war, hatred becomes quite respectable, even though it has to masquerade often under the guise of patriotism-Howard Thurman

When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it?-Eleanor Roosevelt

So, you can quote other people. And post links.

What else can you do?

-dale

Originally Posted by dalem

So you have evidence for all of these? Any pending cases?

-dale

Exactly my question. A list of statutes is just a list of statutes. Pure innuendo. Come on. Amos, state the facts that would make Bush indictable under those statutes.

I think Abe's gone. I really do.

In this season of fellowship, I sorta miss ol' Tim Haughton.

He really had it goin on with that LANCET study thangy.

Originally Posted by S-2

I think Abe's gone. I really do.

In this season of fellowship, I sorta miss ol' Tim Haughton.

He really had it goin on with that LANCET study thangy.

Tim Haughton? Can anyone tell me the story?

Originally Posted by Blademaster

The point is that despite all the search the Coalition has done, we just came up with 12 shells and one missile out of the supposed tens of thousands of shells and hundreds of missiles.

A minor point, BM, the list I gave happened before the invasion.

Ok, I can see why the intelligence services would come out with the analysis. Did they ever find anymore evidence of WMD after the invasion?

Duelfer Report-Iraq Survey Group

Posted over and over and over, and...over.

Doesn't anybody every read, especially if it matters so much?

Will it matter if they do?

Originally Posted by S-2

Duelfer Report-Iraq Survey Group

Posted over and over and over, and...over.

Doesn't anybody every read, especially if it matters so much?

Will it matter if they do?

Don't despair, I have it bookmarked because of you.

Originally Posted by S-2

I think Abe's gone. I really do.

I didn't think a former marine would be scared off so easily