Giuliani not qualified to be president...

**~~LibertyBelle~~** · 24 May 07,, 21:09

Apparently he doesn't know much about foreign policy.

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**wabpilot** · 24 May 07,, 23:58

Originally Posted by LibertyBelle

Apparently he doesn't know much about foreign policy.

The first link deals with foreign policy, although it is just a rehash of Dr. Paul's complaints about Rudi Giuliani's view of foreign policy. In fact nothing in the story indicates a lack of foreign policy knowledge at all. A disagreement is not equal to a lack of knowledge.

The second link deals with Giuliani's serial marriages. Hardly the stuff of foreign policy. Perhaps if you actually read your links you might be able to find something a bit more persuasive.

**~~LibertyBelle~~** · 25 May 07,, 00:09

Originally Posted by wabpilot

The first link deals with foreign policy, although it is just a rehash of Dr. Paul's complaints about Rudi Giuliani's view of foreign policy. In fact nothing in the story indicates a lack of foreign policy knowledge at all. A disagreement is not equal to a lack of knowledge.

The second link deals with Giuliani's serial marriages. Hardly the stuff of foreign policy. Perhaps if you actually read your links you might be able to find something a bit more persuasive.

Giuliani hasn't said one word about what he knows, how come?

This is what Giuliani knows about foreign policy:

Originally Posted by Parihaka

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**Stan187** · 25 May 07,, 00:22

Ahh, so now, everyone who doesn't subscribe to Paul's philosophy is wrong?

Looks like you've spoonfed yourself a bunch of propaganda. Luckily, Paul ain't gonna be president. Ever.

**wabpilot** · 25 May 07,, 00:22

Originally Posted by LibertyBelle

Giuliani hasn't said one word about what he knows, how come?

This is what Giuliani knows about foreign policy:

While that animation is cute, it hardly qualifies as a discussion of what Giuliani knows or does not know. So far all we have is a difference of opinions from Dr. Paul and Mayor Giuliani. That difference does not go to either man's knowledge or lack there of. Your posts seem to lack any gravity, which is too bad.

**FibrillatorD** · 25 May 07,, 00:27

Since the title of this thread refers to how much Giuliani doesn't deserve to be president, I'm going to step outside of foreign policy just to make one thing clear: Giuliani gets WAY too much credit for reducing crime in NYC during the 90s.

Yes, he introduced some unique (I would say, a bit over the top) policing techniques. However, the simple truth of the matter is that the drop in NYC crime is more likely linked to increased abortion rates than jailing window-wipers.

Regardless, the simple truth of the matter is that crime, particularly violent crime, dropped dramatically across metropolitan areas the US over -admittedly NYC is at the top of the list, but experienced only a 10% greater drop in homicide than no. 6, Jacksonville, over the period '90 to '01 (-73.6%, and -64.1%, respectively). Even D.C.'s homicide rate halved over roughly the same period.

That's all.

**~~LibertyBelle~~** · 25 May 07,, 00:41

Originally Posted by wabpilot

While that animation is cute, it hardly qualifies as a discussion of what Giuliani knows or does not know. So far all we have is a difference of opinions from Dr. Paul and Mayor Giuliani. That difference does not go to either man's knowledge or lack there of. Your posts seem to lack any gravity, which is too bad.

Giuliani contradicts himself in the same article, many times.
He contradicted himself in the first debate, first question of the night.
He continues to show his ignorance of lots of things.

No one I see has challenged his involvement with the NAU and Hugo Chavez.
That alone is bad enough.

If he becomes president we will be very unlucky...but not to worry, if Hillary is the D nominee he will lose to her because they are not that much different.

No candidate who keeps repeating 911 is going to win with 70% of the public tired of this war. If we don't get someone reasonable to concentrate on closing the borders (RG is soft on immigration and would never have apprehended those people in NYC with his practicies of not arresting illegals) it doesn't matter what we do abroad. Rudy can say 'terroriTHm' all he wants and it isn't going to matter.

A Democrat isn't going to get us out or Iraq either. But at least the Ds know how to pander to the public. When are the R's going to get smart?

**BudW** · 25 May 07,, 01:12

You need a DR other than DR paul get some help fast LibertyBelle.

**~~LibertyBelle~~** · 25 May 07,, 03:00

Originally Posted by BudW

You need a DR other than DR paul get some help fast LibertyBelle.

Verbal attack.

I will say I am shocked that thinking people would so easily let the press tell them the only candidates they should choose.

Behind the scenes, they are all run by the same people.

Rudy Giuliani Linked to "NAFTA Superhighway"

Originally Posted by Parihaka

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This will prove Rudy's no 'conservative' and that he is even in the pockets of communist dictators. "

The Giuliani connection to this controversial process is through Bracewell & Giuliani, a law firm he joined as senior partner in 2005. Bracewell has already come in for criticism because it represents Citgo, the oil company controlled by Venezuela’s anti-American and terrorist-supporting ruler Hugo Chavez."

This country is in the trouble it's in because of ill informed people who just take what they are told and don't question anything.

**Bluesman** · 25 May 07,, 03:35

Originally Posted by LibertyBelle

I will say I am shocked that thinking people would so easily let the press tell them the only candidates they should choose.

Suck it, choad. Cram your superiority shtick up your ass and move along smartly. Nobody here is your inferior in intellect or ability to process information for themselves, just because we don't see in Ron Goddam' Paul the messiah that you perceive in your own fevered imagination.

But what that way of thinking that you're displaying DOES do is marks you as one of those 'I've got it all figgered out, but all you sheeple are just a bunch of herd animals, malleable for them Dark Sinister Forces that want to destroy us for their own Evil Ends' types. I know them well, and you've got every single characteristic of one.

Originally Posted by LibertyBelle

Behind the scenes, they are all run by the same people.

The Illuminati, no doubt, or perhaps the Masons.

Loony bastard.

Originally Posted by LibertyBelle

Rudy Giuliani Linked to "NAFTA Superhighway"

Originally Posted by Parihaka

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This will prove Rudy's no 'conservative' and that he is even in the pockets of communist dictators. "

PERFECT. Tell me, did he help the CIA and the Queen of England start the crack epidemic in America's inner cities? Was he in on the Chimpy McHalliburton Bushitler plan to drop the WTC?

You're WHACK, and so's your boy.

Originally Posted by LibertyBelle

The Giuliani connection to this controversial process is through Bracewell & Giuliani, a law firm he joined as senior partner in 2005. Bracewell has already come in for criticism because it represents Citgo, the oil company controlled by Venezuela’s anti-American and terrorist-supporting ruler Hugo Chavez."

This country is in the trouble it's in because of ill informed people who just take what they are told and don't question anything.

Well, then, by all means, let's find that One True Patriot that, through some means that is as yet unexplained, has risen to prominence in the political arena, even though his purity is so pure that he's a threat to them Dark Sinister Forces that run ever'thang. I guess they just never saw him comin', huh? They were asleep at the switch, like all Evil Overlords tend to do in their arrogance and complacency, and Ron 'Captain America' Paul came bustin' onto the scene just in the nick o' time to save the country from wrack and ruin.

********. You're a paranoid, creepy fringe-type, looking for a hero to feed your delusions.Well, you are perfect together, and I hope you keep each other busy: sending checks to him, him sending fantastic polemics back to you, you putting up yard signs, him telling you you're saving the country from the Martians...

But you can belt up about the rest of us not meeting your expectations of being intelligent, discerning and informed free-men, intent on observing and participating in the political process (the REAL one). Because Hoss, we've got a bit more on the ball, reality-wise, than you do.

**dalem** · 25 May 07,, 03:37

Lib-

We're far from "ill-informed", we just think the candidate you're shilling for is more silly than serious. I'm sure none of us think the various candidates we might be rooting for are perfect (I know I don't), but at least they are rooted in realism (I don't think we have any Sharpton supporters here).

Answer my question from before - why not build a power bloc in Congress - why push for the Presidency right out of the gate?

-dale

**~~LibertyBelle~~** · 25 May 07,, 03:50