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Reply With QuoteSteyn is awesome.Originally Posted by Parihaka
-dale
Beat me to it TH.
Sometimes things dont end up how they should, a son, a brother, a mentor, a teacher, a cousin, a nephew, a grandson and a god in my eyes.
Who knows what he more could have been...
Christopher Muzykant
April 9, 1976-November 4,2005
My Brother, Always and forever
Steyn is awesome.
-dale
Oh yeah, I forgot to clarify. Some tribes consume their loved ones to gain their strength. Some eat the vanquished to dehumanize their enemies. The Native Americans in the southwest have been theorized to do the latter. It's a very contraversial theory as most Native Americans want to view themselves as in harmony with nature and others and incapable of cruel behavior. But forensic anthropologists have physical archeological evidences that show otherwise.
"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
That's funny. Many Amerindians regularly visited bestial cruelties on their captives, and long before the Bad Ol' Pale Face came to town.
-dale
Didn't you get the memo? White people are racist by nature and others are incapable of bigotry.
Anyone in San Francisco can tell you this.
"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
I think cannibalism shows that you are firmly in touch with nature, as you view people as animals and thus fair game for eating. Can't get more in touch with nature than that.
Everyone needs to realise that at some point in their races history they were a%$holes to somebody.
Yes, but some were more a$$holes than others.Everyone needs to realise that at some point in their races history they were a%$holes to somebody.
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."
- Thomas Jefferson
It all balances out over time.
Most races have had a good bash at genocide at some point in history.
It's not the population that has to apologize but the government. The government sanctioned slavery, not your ancestors. So they are asking for an apology from the government. One big long living Person.
There are so many arguments that can pop up from there, or you could just do the simpler thing and go ahead with the formality of an apology.
If we (U.S.) abolished it long ago (Emancipation Proclaimation) and other countries still practiced it legal or not why should the U.S. or any individual state of the U.S. get stuck with the apology and no doubt shortly thereafter the "check"?. Because that is exactly what will happen. I dont owe anybody anything as far as this goes and neither do my family or ancestors that came here long after slavery was abolished. They worked very hard after coming from afar with nothing but the clothes on their backs and made something of themselves even know they were segregated against and they did so both repectively and responsibly So IMO "Checks in the mail".
Last edited by Dreadnought; 16 Mar 07, at 14:18.
Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
The population IS the government.
I do believe your right!
...and that government of the people, by the people, for the people...
A.Lincoln
When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow. - Anais Nin
I don't think apologies matter or are ever given sincerely, especially on such issues.
It is given merely to get rid of a irritation at best and then get back to being an old wine in a new bottle!
Therefore, getting some to apologise for slavery or even genocide is merely an attempt of gaining brownie points.
It is meaningless and a total eyewash.
I find the EU wanting to declare the Armenian massacre as genocide (basically to ensure Turkey does not get entry) or wanting anyone to apologise for slavery a pure waste of time. As some good soul had described - slavery is living death with no salvation in sight and genocide is death and be done with this cruel world!
Let bygones be bygone and start afresh and not repeat the horrors of history.
Last edited by Ray; 16 Mar 07, at 16:27.
"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."
I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.
HAKUNA MATATA
Nice to see you again Amled, where ya been?
Yep.
Good to see you back Amled.
Was just mentioning it to the Bossman!
"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."
I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.
HAKUNA MATATA
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