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    Kerry shunned by Marines at a Wendy's



    Earlier, their bus convoy pulled over at a Wendy's fast food restaurant for a photo opportunity lunch that provided an awkward moment.

    Spotting a group of US Marines, Kerry, who has made his Vietnam War service a cornerstone of his campaign, went over to chat. The Marines, who all turned out to be staunch Bush reporters(sic), were not impressed.

    "He imposed on us and I disagree with him coming over here shaking our hands," one of them told reporters afterwards. "I'm 100 percent against" Kerry, he said. "We support our commander-in-chief 100 percent."
    They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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    Kerry was lucky he didn't start pissing Napalm.

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    It feels good to have such warriors on my side, if only every current and former service member alive supported Bush then the election would be a huge defeat for Kerry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phalanx


    Earlier, their bus convoy pulled over at a Wendy's fast food restaurant for a photo opportunity lunch that provided an awkward moment.

    Spotting a group of US Marines, Kerry, who has made his Vietnam War service a cornerstone of his campaign, went over to chat. The Marines, who all turned out to be staunch Bush reporters(sic), were not impressed.

    "He imposed on us and I disagree with him coming over here shaking our hands," one of them told reporters afterwards. "I'm 100 percent against" Kerry, he said. "We support our commander-in-chief 100 percent."
    Oh man. Kerry's violating the arm length rule, and is very close to poking that Marine in the chest. It looks a lot like he's trying to pick a fight, and I doubt he is entitled to having secret service agents watching his back either. Plus that group of Marines could misconstrue his gesture as threatening to shoot the one standing.

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    Good Marine. Despite his personal feelings there he is at attention. Gotta love well disciplined troops.

    Is there a link for this story?

    ALL STORIES POSTED SHOULD HAVE LINKS IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

    Woulda been better if the Marine punched him though, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M21Sniper
    Woulda been better if the Marine punched him though, lol.
    I second that He does look a bit agressive towards that marine.

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    http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/001598.html

    I heard a bit about it on Fox News this morning but this is where i found it on the net.
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    First the United States Military supports 100 percent whomever is President at the time.... end of Discussion.

    Second it sounds to me like that Member of the United States Marine Corps broke United States Federal Law and should be charged..... and if found guilty at the very least Discharged from the United States Military

    Department of Defense Directive


    DIRECTIVE

    NUMBER 1344.10

    June 15, 1990

    Certified Current as of December 1, 2003

    Incorporating Through Change 2, February 17, 2000

    ASD(FMP)

    SUBJECT: Political Activities by Members of the Armed
    Forces on Active Duty

    References: (a) DoD Directive 1344.10, "Political
    Activities by Members of the Armed Forces," September
    25, 1986 (hereby canceled)

    (b) Title 10, United States Code

    (c) DoD Directive 5200.2, "DoD Personnel Security Program,"
    April 9, 1999

    (d) DoD Directive 1325.6, "Guidelines for Handling
    Dissident and Protest Activities Among Members of the
    Armed Forces," October 1, 1996

    (e) through (h), see enclosure 1

    1. REISSUANCE AND PURPOSE

    This Directive:

    1.1. Reissues reference (a) to update DoD policies
    on political activities of members of the Armed Forces
    on active duty (AD).

    1.2. Implements Section 973(b) of reference (b).

    2. APPLICABILITY

    This Directive applies to the Office of the Secretary
    of Defense, the Military Departments (including the
    Coast Guard when it is not operating as a Military Service
    in the Department of the Navy by agreement with the
    Department of Transportation), the Office of the Chairman
    of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Combatant Commands,
    the Office of the Inspector General of the Department
    of Defense, the Defense Agencies, the DoD Field Activities,
    and all other organizational entities within the Department
    of Defense (hereafter referred to collectively as "the
    DoD Components").

    3. DEFINITIONS

    The terms used in this Directive are defined in enclosure
    2.

    4. POLICY

    It is DoD policy that a member of the Armed Forces (hereafter
    referred to as "member") is encouraged to carry out
    the obligations of a citizen. While on AD, however,
    members are prohibited from engaging in certain political
    activities. Subject to the guidelines in enclosure
    3, the following DoD policy shall apply:

    4.1. General

    4.1.1. A member on AD may:

    4.1.1.1. Register, vote, and express his or her personal
    opinion on political candidates and issues, but not
    as a representative of the Armed Forces.

    4.1.1.2. Make monetary contributions to a political
    organization.

    4.1.1.3. Attend partisan and nonpartisan political
    meetings or rallies as a spectator when not in uniform.

    4.1.2. A member on AD shall not:

    4.1.2.1. Use his or her official authority or influence
    for interfering with an election; affecting the course
    or outcome of an election; soliciting votes for a particular
    candidate or issue; or requiring or soliciting political
    contributions from others.

    4.1.2.2. Be a candidate for, or hold, civil office
    except as authorized in paragraphs 4.2. and 4.3., below.

    4.1.2.3. Participate in partisan political management,
    campaigns, or conventions.

    4.1.2.4. Make campaign contributions to another member
    of the Armed Forces or an employee of the Federal Government.

    4.1.3. To assist in applying subparagraphs 4.1.1. and
    4.1.2., above, to particular situations, enclosure 3
    provides guidelines and examples of permissible and
    prohibited political activities. The guidelines in
    enclosure 3 do not supersede other specific requirements
    and policies, such as those established in DoD Directives
    5200.2 and 1325.6 (references (c) and (d)).

    4.1.4. Enclosure 4 provides a summary of Federal statutes
    restricting certain types of political activities by
    members of the Armed Forces.

    4.2. Candidacy for Elective Office. A member on AD
    may not:

    4.2.1. Campaign as a nominee, or as a candidate for
    nomination, for civil office, except as authorized in
    subparagraph 4.3.3., below. When circumstances warrant,
    the Secretary concerned or the Secretary's designee
    may permit a member to file such evidence of nomination
    or candidacy for nomination, as may be required by law.
    Such permission shall not authorize activity while
    on AD that is otherwise prohibited in subparagraph 4.1.2.,
    above, or enclosure 3 or 4.

    4.2.2. Become a candidate for any civil office while
    serving an initial tour of extended active duty (EAD)
    or a tour of EAD that the member agreed to perform as
    a condition of receiving schooling or other training
    wholly or partly at U.S. Government expense.

    4.3. Election or Appointment to Civil Office

    4.3.1. Except as authorized by subparagraph 4.3.3.,
    below, or otherwise provided for by law, no member on
    AD may hold or exercise the functions of civil office:

    4.3.1.1. In the U.S. Government that:

    4.3.1.1.1. Is an elective office.

    4.3.1.1.2. Requires an appointment by the President
    by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.

    4.3.1.1.3. Is a position on the executive schedule
    under sections 5312 through 5317 of reference (e).

    4.3.1.2. In the government of a State; the District
    of Columbia; a territory, possession, or commonwealth
    of the United States; or in any political subdivision
    thereof.

    4.3.2. A member may hold or exercise the functions
    of a civil office in the U.S. Government that is not
    described in subparagraph 4.3.1.1., above, when assigned
    or detailed to such office or to perform such functions.

    4.3.3. As long as they are not serving on EAD, enlisted
    members and Reserve officers may hold partisan or nonpartisan
    civil office if such office is held in a private capacity
    and does not interfere with the performance of military
    duties. Additionally, enlisted members on EAD may
    seek and hold nonpartisan civil office as a notary public
    or member of a school board, neighborhood planning commission,
    or similar local agency, as long as such office is held
    in a private capacity and does not interfere with the
    performance of military duties. Officers on active
    duty may seek and hold nonpartisan civil office on an
    independent school board that is located exclusively
    on a military reservation.

    4.3.4. Unless prohibited by Service regulations, a
    member on AD may serve as a regular or reserve civilian
    law enforcement officer or as a member of a civilian
    fire or rescue squad. Such service shall be in a private
    capacity, shall not involve the exercise of military
    authority, and shall not interfere with the performance
    of military duties.

    4.3.5. A member elected or appointed to a prohibited
    civil office may request retirement and shall be retired
    if eligible for retirement. If such member does not
    request or is not eligible for retirement, the member
    shall be discharged or released from AD, as determined
    by the Secretary concerned.

    4.3.6. The separation and retirement requirements of
    subparagraph 4.3.5., above, do not apply if the member
    declines to serve in the prohibited office; if the Secretary
    concerned determines that the member should not be released
    from active duty based on the needs of the Service;
    or if the member is:

    4.3.6.1. Obligated to fulfill an AD service commitment.

    4.3.6.2. Serving or has been issued orders to serve
    afloat or in an area that is overseas, remote, a combat
    zone, or a hostile fire pay area.

    4.3.6.3. Ordered to remain on AD while the subject
    of an investigation or inquiry.

    4.3.6.4. Accused of an offense under the Uniform Code
    of Military Justice (UCMJ), 10 U.S.C. chapter 47 (reference
    (b)), or serving a sentence or punishment for such offense.

    4.3.6.5. Pending administrative separation action or
    proceedings.

    4.3.6.6. Indebted to the United States.

    4.3.6.7. On AD during a period of declared war, a national
    emergency, or other period when a unit of the Reserves
    or National Guard has been called to AD.

    4.3.6.8. In violation of an order or regulation prohibiting
    such member from assuming or exercising the functions
    of civil office.

    4.3.7. A member who refuses to decline to serve in
    a prohibited civil office after being denied separation
    or retirement in accordance with subparagraph 4.3.6.,
    above, may be subject to disciplinary or adverse administrative
    action under Service regulations.

    4.3.8. No actions undertaken by a member in carrying
    out assigned military duties shall be invalidated solely
    by virtue of such member having assumed or exercised
    the functions of a civil office in violation of paragraph
    4.3., above.

    5. RESPONSIBILITIES

    5.1. The Assistant Secretary of Defense (Force Management
    Policy) (ASD(FMP)) shall be responsible for the administration
    of this Directive.

    5.2. The Secretaries of the Military Departments shall
    be responsible for issuance of appropriate implementing
    documents for their respective Departments.

    6. PROCEDURES

    All members of the Armed Forces on AD engaging in political
    activities shall follow the guidelines in enclosure
    3.

    7. EFFECTIVE DATE

    This Directive is effective immediately.

    Enclosures - 4

    E1. References, continued

    E2. Definitions

    E3. Guidelines on Political Activities

    E4. Statutory Restrictions Pertaining to Political
    Activities by Members of the Armed Forces

    E1. ENCLOSURE 1

    REFERENCES, continued

    (e) Title 5, United States Code

    (f) DoD Directive 1334.1, "Wearing of the Uniform,"
    August 11, 1969

    (g) Sections 441a, 441f, and 441g of title 2, United
    States Code

    (h) Sections 592 through 594, 596, 602 through 603,
    606 through 607, and 609 of title 18, United States
    Code

    E2. ENCLOSURE 2

    DEFINITIONS

    E2.1.1. Active Duty (AD). Full-time duty in the active
    Military Service of the United States without regard
    to duration or purpose, including:

    E2.1.1.1. Full-time training duty;

    E2.1.1.2. Annual training duty;

    E2.1.1.3. Attendance, while in the active Military
    Service, at a school designated as a Service school
    by law or by the Secretary of the Military Department
    concerned; and

    E2.1.1.4. National Guard duty, as defined in 10 U.S.C.
    101(42) (reference (b)).

    E2.1.2. Armed Forces. The U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force,
    Marine Corps, and Coast Guard, including the Reserve
    components and the National Guard, as defined in 10
    U.S.C. 101(9), 101(10), and 101(12) (reference (b)).

    E2.1.3. Civil Office. A non-military office involving
    the exercise of the powers or authority of civil government,
    to include elective and appointive office in the U.S.
    Government, a U.S. territory or possession, State, county,
    municipality, or official subdivision thereof.

    E2.1.4. Extended Active Duty (EAD). AD under a call
    or order for a period in excess of 270 days.

    E2.1.5. Nonpartisan Political Activity. Activity
    supporting or relating to candidates not representing,
    or issues not specifically identified with, national
    or State political parties and associated or ancillary
    organizations. Issues relating to constitutional amendments,
    referendums, approval of municipal ordinances, and others
    of similar character are not considered under this Directive
    as specifically being identified with national or State
    political parties.

    E2.1.6. Partisan Political Activity. Activity supporting
    or relating to candidates representing, or issues specifically
    identified with, national or State political parties
    and associated or ancillary organizations.

    E2.1.7. Secretary Concerned. Defined in 10 U.S.C.
    101(9) (reference (b)).

    E3. ENCLOSURE 3

    GUIDELINES ON POLITICAL ACTIVITIES

    E3.1. PURPOSE

    This enclosure provides guidance for implementing this
    Directive.

    E3.2. EXAMPLES OF PERMISSIBLE POLITICAL ACTIVITIES


    A member on AD may:

    E3.2.1. Register, vote, and express a personal opinion
    on political candidates and issues, but not as a representative
    of the Armed Forces.

    E3.2.2. Promote and encourage other military members
    to exercise their voting franchise, if such promotion
    does not constitute an attempt to influence or interfere
    with the outcome of an election.

    E3.2.3. Join a political club and attend its meetings
    when not in uniform. See DoD Directive 1334.1 (reference
    (f)).

    E3.2.4. Serve as an election official, if such service
    is not as a representative of a partisan political party,
    does not interfere with military duties, is performed
    while out of uniform, and has the prior approval of
    the Secretary concerned or the Secretary's designee.

    E3.2.5. Sign a petition for specific legislative action
    or a petition to place a candidate's name on an official
    election ballot, if the signing does not obligate the
    member to engage in partisan political activity and
    is done as a private citizen and not as a representative
    of the Armed Forces.

    E3.2.6. Write a letter to the editor of a newspaper
    expressing the member's personal views on public issues
    or political candidates, if such action is not part
    of an organized letter-writing campaign or concerted
    solicitation of votes for or against a political party
    or partisan political cause or candidate.

    E3.2.7. Make monetary contributions to a political
    organization, party, or committee favoring a particular
    candidate or slate of candidates, subject to the limitations
    under 2 U.S.C. 441a and 18 U.S.C. 607 (references (g)
    and (h)).

    E3.2.8. Display a political sticker on the member's
    private vehicle.

    E3.3. EXAMPLES OF PROHIBITED POLITICAL ACTIVITIES

    In accordance with the statutory restrictions in 10
    U.S.C. 973(b) (reference (b)) and references (g) and
    (h), and the policies established in section 4., above,
    of this Directive, a member on AD shall not:

    E3.3.1. Use official authority or influence to interfere
    with an election, affect the course or outcome of an
    election, solicit votes for a particular candidate or
    issue, or require or solicit political contributions
    from others.

    E3.3.2. Be a candidate for civil office in Federal,
    State, or local government, except as authorized in
    section 4., above, of this Directive, or engage in public
    or organized soliciting of others to become partisan
    candidates for nomination or election to civil office.

    E3.3.3. Participate in partisan political management
    or campaigns, or make public speeches in the course
    thereof.

    E3.3.4. Make a campaign contribution to another member
    of the Armed Forces or to a civilian officer or employee
    of the United States for promoting a political objective
    or cause.

    E3.3.5. Solicit or receive a campaign contribution
    from another member of the Armed Forces or from a civilian
    officer or employee of the United States for promoting
    a political objective or cause.

    E3.3.6. Allow or cause to be published partisan political
    articles signed or written by the member that solicits
    votes for or against a partisan political party or candidate.

    E3.3.7. Serve in any official capacity or be listed
    as a sponsor of a partisan political club.

    E3.3.8. Speak before a partisan political gathering
    of any kind for promoting a partisan political party
    or candidate.

    E3.3.9. Participate in any radio, television, or other
    program or group discussion as an advocate of a partisan
    political party or candidate.

    E3.3.10. Conduct a political opinion survey under the
    auspices of a partisan political group or distribute
    partisan political literature.

    E3.3.11. Use contemptuous words against the officeholders
    described in 10 U.S.C. 888 (reference (b)), or participate
    in activities proscribed by DoD Directives 5200.2 and
    1325.6 (references (c) and (d)).

    E3.3.12. Perform clerical or other duties for a partisan
    political committee during a campaign or on an Election
    Day.

    E3.3.13. Solicit or otherwise engage in fundraising
    activities in Federal offices or facilities, including
    military reservations, for a partisan political cause
    or candidate.

    E3.3.14. March or ride in a partisan political parade.

    E3.3.15. Display a large political sign, banner, or
    poster (as distinguished from a bumper sticker) on the
    top or side of a private vehicle.

    E3.3.16. Participate in any organized effort to provide
    voters with transportation to the polls if the effort
    is organized by, or associated with, a partisan political
    party or candidate.

    E3.3.17. Sell tickets for, or otherwise actively promote,
    political dinners and similar fundraising events.

    E3.3.18. Attend partisan political events as an official
    representative of the Armed Forces.

    E3.4. POLITICAL ACTIVITIES NOT EXPRESSLY PERMITTED
    OR PROHIBITED

    Some activities not expressly prohibited may be contrary
    to the spirit and intent of section 4. of this Directive
    or section E3.3. of this enclosure. In determining
    whether an activity violates the traditional concept
    that Service members should not engage in partisan political
    activity, rules of reason and common sense shall apply.
    Any activity that may be viewed as associating the
    Department of Defense or the Department of Transportation,
    in the case of the Coast Guard, or any components of
    such Departments directly or indirectly with a partisan
    political cause or candidate shall be avoided.

    E3.5. LOCAL NONPARTISAN POLITICAL ACTIVITIES

    This Directive does not preclude participation in local
    nonpartisan political campaigns, initiatives, or referendums.
    A member taking part in local nonpartisan political
    activity, however, shall not:

    E3.5.1. Wear a uniform or use any Government property
    or facilities while participating.

    E3.5.2. Allow such participation to interfere with,
    or prejudice, the member's performance of military duties.

    E3.5.3. Engage in conduct that in any way may imply
    that the Department concerned or any component of such
    Department has taken an official position on, or is
    otherwise involved in, the local political campaign
    or issue.

    E3.6. ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS

    Members of the Armed Forces on AD engaging in permissible
    political activities shall:

    E3.6.1. Give full time and attention to the performance
    of military duties during prescribed duty hours.

    E3.6.2. Avoid any outside activities that may be prejudicial
    to the performance of military duties or are likely
    to bring discredit upon the Armed Forces.

    E3.6.3. Refrain from participating in any political
    activity while in military uniform, as proscribed by
    DoD Directive 1334.1 (reference (f)), or using Government
    facilities or resources for furthering political activities.

    E4. ENCLOSURE 4

    STATUTORY RESTRICTIONS PERTAINING TO POLITICAL ACTIVITIES
    BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES

    Members of the Armed Forces are prohibited by various
    provisions of titles 10, 2, and 18, United States Code
    (references (b), (g), and (h)), from engaging in certain
    types of political activities. The statutory provisions
    most directly applicable to members of the Armed Forces
    are as follows:

    "Title 10 U.S.C. Sec. 973. Duties: officers on
    active duty; performance of civil functions restricted

    "(a) No officer of an Armed Force on active duty
    may accept employment if that employment requires him
    to be separated from his organization, branch, or unit,
    or interferes with the performance of his military duties.

    "(b)(1) This subsection applies--

    (A) to a Regular officer of an Armed Force on the
    active-duty list (and a Regular officer of the Coast
    Guard on the active duty promotion list);

    (B) to a retired Regular officer of an Armed Force
    serving on active duty under a call or order to active
    duty for a period in excess of 270 days; and

    (C) to a Reserve officer of an Armed Force serving
    on active duty under a call or order to active duty
    for a period in excess of 270 days.

    (2)(A) Except as otherwise authorized by law, an
    officer to whom this subsection applies may not hold,
    or exercise the functions of, a civil office in the
    Government of the United States--

    (i) that is an elective office;

    (ii) that requires an appointment by the President
    by and with the advice and consent of the Senate; or

    (iii) that is a position in the Executive Schedule
    under sections 5312 through 5317 of title 5.

    (B) An officer to whom this subsection applies may
    hold or exercise the function of a civil office in the
    Government of the United States that is not described
    in subparagraph (A) when assigned or detailed to that
    office or to perform those functions.

    (3) Except as otherwise authorized by law, an officer
    to whom this subsection applies may not hold or exercise,
    by election or appointment, the functions of a civil
    office in the government of a State, the District of
    Columbia, or a territory, possession, or commonwealth
    of the United States (or of any political subdivision
    of any such government).

    (4) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed
    to invalidate any action undertaken by an officer in
    furtherance of assigned official duties.

    "(c) An officer to whom subsection (b) applies may
    seek and hold nonpartisan civil office on an independent
    school board that is located exclusively on a military
    reservation.

    "(d) The Secretary of Defense, and the Secretary
    of Transportation with respect to the Coast Guard when
    it is not operating in the Navy, shall prescribe regulations
    to implement this section."

    "Title 2 U.S.C. Sec. 441a. Limitations on contributions
    and expenditures

    "(a) Dollar limits on contributions

    (1) No person shall make contributions--

    (A) to any candidate and his authorized political
    committees with respect to any election for Federal
    office which, in the aggregate, exceed $1,000;

    (B) to the political committees established and
    maintained by a national political party, which are
    not the authorized political committees of any candidate
    in any calendar year which, in the aggregate, exceed
    $20,000; or

    (C) to any other political committee in any calendar
    year which, in the aggregate, exceed $5,000.

    (2) No multicandidate political committee shall
    make contributions--

    (A) to any candidate and his authorized political
    committees with respect to any election for Federal
    office which, in the aggregate, exceed $5,000;

    (B) to the political committees established and
    maintained by a national political party, which are
    not the authorized political committees of any candidate,
    in any calendar year, which, in the aggregate, exceed
    $15,000; or

    (C) to any other political committee in any calendar
    year which, in the aggregate, exceed $5,000.

    No individual shall make contributions aggregating
    more than $25,000 in any calendar year. For purposes
    of this paragraph, any contribution made to a candidate
    in a year other than the calendar year in which the
    election is held with respect to which such contribution
    is made is considered to be made during the calendar
    year in which such election is held.

    . . .

    For purposes of the limitations imposed by this section,
    all contributions made by a person, either directly
    or indirectly, on behalf of a particular candidate,
    including contributions which are in any way earmarked
    or otherwise directed through an intermediary or conduit
    to such candidate, shall be treated as contributions
    from such person to such candidate. The intermediary
    or conduit shall report the original source and the
    intended recipient of such contribution to the Commission
    and to the intended recipient.

    . . . . "

    "Title 2 U.S.C. Sec. 441f. Contributions in the
    name of another prohibited

    "No person shall make a contribution in the name of
    another person or knowingly permit his name to be used
    to effect such contribution, and no person shall knowingly
    accept a contribution made by one person in the name
    of another person."

    "Title 2 U.S.C. Sec. 441g. Limitation on contribution
    of currency

    "No person shall make contributions of currency of
    the United States or currency of any foreign country
    to or for the benefit of any candidate which, in the
    aggregate, exceed $100, with respect to any campaign
    of such candidate for nomination for election, or for
    election, to Federal office."

    "Title 2 U.S.C. Sec. 592. Troops at polls

    "Whoever, being an officer of the Army or Navy, or
    other person in the civil, military, or naval service
    of the United States, orders, brings, keeps, or has
    under his authority or control any troops or armed men
    at any place where a general or special election is
    held, unless such forces be necessary to repel armed
    enemies of the United States, shall be fined not more
    than $5,000 or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both; and be disqualified from holding any office
    of honor, profit, or trust under the United States.

    "This section shall not prevent any officer or member
    of the Armed Forces of the United States from exercising
    the right of suffrage in any election district to which
    he may belong, if otherwise qualified according to the
    laws of the State in which he offers to vote."

    "Title 18 U.S.C. Sec. 593. Interference by Armed
    Forces

    "Whoever, being an officer or member of the Armed
    Forces of the United States, prescribes or fixes or
    attempts to prescribe or fix, whether by proclamation,
    order or otherwise, the qualifications of voters at
    any election in any State; or

    "Whoever, being such officer or member, prevents or
    attempts to prevent by force, threat, intimidation,
    advice or otherwise any qualified voter of any State
    from fully exercising the right of suffrage at any general
    or special election; or

    "Whoever, being such officer or member, orders or
    compels or attempts to compel any election officer in
    any State to receive a vote from a person not legally
    qualified to vote; or

    "Whoever, being such officer or member, imposes or
    attempts to impose any regulations for conducting any
    general or special election in a State, different from
    those prescribed by law; or

    "Whoever, being such officer or member, interferes
    in any manner with an election officer's discharge of
    his duties--

    "Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not
    more than five years, or both; and disqualified from
    holding any office of honor, profit or trust under the
    United States.

    "This section shall not prevent any officer or member
    of the Armed Forces from exercising the right of suffrage
    in any district to which he may belong, if otherwise
    qualified according to the laws of the State of such
    district."

    "Title 18 U.S.C. Sec. 594. Intimidation of voters

    "Whoever intimidates, threatens, coerces, or attempts
    to intimidate, threaten, or coerce, any other person
    for the purpose of interfering with the right of such
    other person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or
    of causing such other person to vote for, or not to
    vote for, any candidate for the office of President,
    Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the
    Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate
    from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner,
    at any election held solely or in part for the purpose
    of electing such candidate, shall be fined under this
    title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both."

    "Title 18 U.S.C. Sec. 596. Polling Armed Forces

    "Whoever, within or without the Armed Forces of the
    United States, polls any member of such forces, either
    within or without the United States, either before or
    after he executes any ballot under any Federal or State
    law, with reference to his choice of or his vote for
    any candidate, or states, publishes, or releases any
    result of any purported poll taken from or among the
    members of the Armed Forces of the United States or
    including within it the statement of choice for such
    candidate or of such votes cast by any member of the
    Armed Forces of the United States, shall be fined under
    this title or imprisoned for not more than one year,
    or both.

    "The word 'poll' means any request for information,
    verbal or written, which by its language or form of
    expression requires or implies the necessity of an answer,
    where the request is made with the intent of compiling
    the result of the answers obtained, either for the personal
    use of the person making the request, or for the purpose
    of reporting the same to any other person, persons,
    political party, unincorporated association or corporation,
    or for the purpose of publishing the same orally, by
    radio, or in written or printed form."

    "Title 18 U.S.C. Sec. 602. Solicitation of political
    contributions

    "It shall be unlawful for--

    (1) a candidate for the Congress;

    (2) an individual elected to or serving in the office
    of Senator or Representative in, or Delegate or Resident
    Commissioner to, the Congress;

    (3) an officer or employee of the United States
    or any Department or Agency thereof; or

    (4) a person receiving any salary or compensation
    for services from money derived from the Treasury of
    the United States to knowingly solicit any contribution
    within the meaning of section 301(8) of the Federal
    Election Campaign Act of 1971 from any other such officer,
    employee, or person. Any person who violates this
    section shall be fined under this title or imprisoned
    not more than three years, or both."

    "Title 18 U.S.C. Sec. 603. Making political contributions

    "(a) It shall be unlawful for an officer or employee
    of the United States or any Department or Agency thereof,
    or a person receiving any salary or compensation for
    service from money derived from the Treasury of the
    United States, to make any contribution within the meaning
    of section 301(8) of the Federal Election Campaign Act
    of 1971 to any other such officer, employee or person
    or to any Senator or Representative in, or Delegate
    or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress, if the person
    receiving such contribution is the employer or employing
    authority of the person making the contribution. Any
    person who violates this section shall be fined under
    this title or imprisoned not more than three years,
    or both.

    "(b) For purposes of this section, a contribution
    to an authorized committee as defined in section 302(e)(1)
    of the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 shall be
    considered a contribution to the individual who has
    authorized such committee."

    "Title 18 U.S.C. Sec. 606. Intimidation to secure
    political contributions

    "Whoever, being one of the officers or employees of
    the United States mentioned in section 602 of this title,
    discharges or promotes, or degrades, or in any manner
    changes the official rank or compensation of any other
    officer or employee, or promises or threatens so to
    do, for giving or withholding or neglecting to make
    any contribution of money or other valuable thing for
    any political purpose, shall be fined under this title
    or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

    "Title 18 U.S.C. Sec. 607. Place of solicitation

    "(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to solicit
    or receive any contribution within the meaning of section
    301(8) of the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971
    in any room or building occupied in the discharge of
    official duties by any person mentioned in section 603,
    or in any navy yard, fort, or arsenal. Any person
    who violates this section shall be fined under this
    title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    "(b) The prohibition in subsection (a) shall not
    apply to the receipt of contributions by persons on
    the staff of a Senator or Representative in, or Delegate
    or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress, provided,
    that such contributions have not been solicited in any
    manner which directs the contributor to mail or deliver
    a contribution to any room, building, or other facility
    referred to in subsection (a), and provided that such
    contributions are transferred within seven days of receipt
    to a political committee within the meaning of section
    302(e) of the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971."

    "Title 18 U.S.C. Sec. 609. Use of military authority
    to influence vote of member of Armed Forces

    *End Paste*




    Now that Directive clearly states among other things the following.....

    "Whoever, being a commissioned, noncommissioned, warrant,
    or petty officer of an Armed Force, uses military authority
    to influence the vote of a member of the Armed Forces
    or to require a member of the Armed Forces to march
    to a polling place, or attempts to do so, shall be fined
    in accordance with this title or imprisoned not more
    than five years, or both. Nothing in this section
    shall prohibit free discussion of political issues or
    candidates for public office."
    and

    "Whoever intimidates, threatens, coerces, or attempts
    to intimidate, threaten, or coerce, any other person
    for the purpose of interfering with the right of such
    other person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or
    of causing such other person to vote for, or not to
    vote for, any candidate for the office of President,
    Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the
    Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate
    from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner,
    at any election held solely or in part for the purpose
    of electing such candidate, shall be fined under this
    title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both."
    Also

    This Directive does not preclude participation in local
    nonpartisan political campaigns, initiatives, or referendums.
    A member taking part in local nonpartisan political
    activity, however, shall not:..........


    Engage in conduct that in any way may imply
    that the Department concerned or any component of such
    Department has taken an official position on, or is
    otherwise involved in, the local political campaign
    or issue.

    and


    EXAMPLES OF PROHIBITED POLITICAL ACTIVITIES

    In accordance with the statutory restrictions in 10
    U.S.C. 973(b) (reference (b)) and references (g) and
    (h), and the policies established in section 4., above,
    of this Directive, a member on AD shall not:

    E3.3.1. Use official authority or influence to interfere
    with an election, affect the course or outcome of an
    election, solicit votes for a particular candidate or
    issue, or require or solicit political contributions
    from others.

    E3.3.11. Use contemptuous words against the officeholders
    described in 10 U.S.C. 888 (reference (b)), or participate
    in activities proscribed by DoD Directives 5200.2 and
    1325.6 (references (c) and (d)).
    If I was calling the shots and the stroy turned out to be true I would have that Marine Discharged.... and Fined.

    Lastly If said Member of the United States Marine Corps did hit or threaten to strike Senator Kerry the United States Secret Service could have and most likely would have killed him for doing so.... but short of that would have stopped him from harming the Senator and charged him with a crime.


    The United States Military is to be Non-Partisan.... Above Petty Politics..... It is what makes us better then everyone else and I can tell you this If the Marine did in fact say those things and I was there as witness to such he would have been charged because I would have filed the Complaint with his Command.






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    The context isnt speaking for the whole Marine Corps. He can express his opinion any way he wants as far as i know. The fact that cameras were there has no bearing.

    Hitting the french looking Kerry, i dont know where that came from.
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    He can not express his opinion any way he wants while in uniform that is fact that is law...... Many things he can not say in or out of Uniform if he is around his troops..... also fact, also Law.
    The Marine allowed himself to be polled as to who he is going to be voting for..... that means whoever reported on the story and then allowed the story to get out to the public with this Marines views as to who he would like to see win in a Federal Election may have also broken Federal Law.
    He also told his troops..... the very people he holds the power of life and death over that he is 100 percent against Kerry that in affect he would like to see President Bush win in a Federal Election.

    That is why If the story is true..... If I had my way he would be out of the Military with bad paper...... I would based on his Service Record spare him from Prison but still fine him. And I would make sure everyone in the United States Military knew about it.
    If the story is true..... If I was calling the shots at the DoD or If I was there as witness to such things do everything in my power to get rid of someone who Dishonored the Uniform of the United States Marine Corps.... and turned it into a mere Uniform of a Political Party.

    Tell me what happens if Kerry does win? Knowing there is a Member of the United States Marine Corps that wants him out of the job..... and is not worried about having people know his feeling on a President Kerry, that he is 100 percent against Kerry? And not afraid of saying such things around his troops.... or the press.
    A President Kerry could never count on that Marines loyalty to the Nation..... what would a President Kerry do?
    What would you do if you were President knowing there is a Marine who is openly Against you and still Serving in the Military?

    But never fear.... I have no Political Party to serve. I am No Political Preference I only care about the Constitution of the United States of America..... supporting and defending it against all enemies. In the end I only care that there is an Office of President and that the person in that office is a Civilian.

    I have in my lifetime voted for people in both party’s.... and God willing will continue to do so. The people I vote for may or may not win on Election Day but each time my Nation holds a free and fair Election I win. You will never see me post about who I would like to see win in a Federal Election..... I want Americans to vote for who they would like to see win not for someone I would like to see win.
    And I'm retired from Active Duty..... under the law I can say what I wish.... I just don't. I really don't want people to throw their vote away on someone merely because I said who I would like to see win.
    There are a few in the Nation who like me who would like to see the right to vote taken off all Members of the United States Military while serving on Active Duty.... things have gotten too far out of hand what with many in the Nation saying the Military Supports one Political Party over another.
    Before I posted the Law did you know it was against Federal Law to Poll Members of the United States Military to see who it is they will be voting for..... or who they have voted for in the past?
    If the Military as a whole can not serve the Nation but only a mere Political Party then there are those like me who see the only answer being the removal of Voting Rights for the Active Military. Many years afterwards once the Military is reshaped and only Serving the Nation.... with a new Oath..... those Rights IMO could be given back.
    But don't worry I doubt I will get what I want..... but I can keep telling people the Law on such matters and I have gotten lucky in the past and caught those on Active Duty telling others who to vote for or who they would like to see win when they hold the power of life and death over those people.
    Also just think if there is a President Kerry 4 years from now when someone is running against him and the same thing happens except with a Active Duty Member pulling for Kerry while in Uniform with his Troops around and saying he is 100 percent against the other guy..... I'll post that what he did is illegal in the same way. Because in the end I have an entire Nation to worry about.



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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkEye
    He can not express his opinion any way he wants while in uniform
    Agreed, but Kerry should not be allowed to take advantage of that either.
    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
    I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    Last I checked Kerry was a United States Senator.

    U.S. Senators are allowed to do many thigns when it comes to the United States Military, ask many things, at any time they and they alone see fit to. If this member in question does not like this fact he can get out of the United States Military.... hes just not cut out for it.
    I have never once heard of a United States Senator imposing on a Member of the Military while on duty and in Uniform have you?



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    It was a mistake. It was also a stupid mistake. However, as an Officer, I cannot bring discharge proceedings onto the NCM because of this mistake. He'll pay for his mistake but to discharge a guy for a situation that he neither was expecting nor prepared for is beyond resonable.

    The fact that he should've known better is a given. However, would Kerry want a pefectly good NCM thrown out because he voiced his democratic opinion? A lost of a stripe should surfice
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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkEye
    I have never once heard of a United States Senator imposing on a Member of the Military while on duty and in Uniform have you?
    It sounds like he was imposed upon to me. Being used for a campaign photo when you don't support the position is dubious, at the least.
    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
    I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    I don't know if you have the same problem in Canada Colonel. Just read some of the responses in this thread if you don't think there is a very real problem in the United States on this issue.
    The Law is very clear for a reason.... the Law is on the books for a reason.

    I was as a young Soldier ordered to vote for President Reagan.... no questions asked end of story. I was too green to know there was actual Law against it I thought those who out ranked me were demi-gods.

    I do not view that Servicemember, if what has been reported is true as good for the Military or Nation.... and like I said if I was there he would be charged and I unlike him can go to every News outlet in the Nation that will listen.... with the Law in hand.

    IMO If the story is true then someone better then him will take his place in the Corps.... and maybe someone else will be saved the same fate by having the crap hit the fan.


    Oh and Confed999 Like I said last I heard Kerry is a United States Senator and he can walk up to anyone who wears the Uniform of the United States Military at any time he wants to ask him just about anything...... including the time of day or the weather. And Like I said already the Marine can hit the road if he does not like this fact..... someone better then him will take his place.



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