Kerry shunned by Marines at a Wendy's

**HawkEye** · 02 Aug 04,, 05:12

On and in answer to your question Colonel..... No Kerry would not want the Servicemember tossed or even to lose any rank IMO. But that in the end would not be up to the Senator but to the United States Military after all the facts are heard..... and the Law reviewed.

HawkEye

**Bill** · 02 Aug 04,, 05:47

Are you kidding me?

Dude, you need to loosen up. Apparently so does DoD. Damned Airborne guys- always so uptight.

I can certainly tell you that in the Marines position i'd have not handled it any better, but possibly worse.

Those Marines are bulletproof right now, can't be touched. It would be very, very bad for Kerry politically to have three good Marines courts-martialed for telling the world they think he's an asshole. Bring a lot of unwanted media attention. As it is now, most people don't know about this incident. Those three Marines get courts-martialed, everyone is going to see that Marines quotes.

Kerry does NOT want that.

BTW, Kerry is a scumbag. No one can prosecute me for speaking my mind.

**Bill** · 02 Aug 04,, 05:50

No, wait.

He's not a scumbag.

He's a weasally, flip-flopping, medal-throwing, treasonous, lying, socaist- elitist scumbag.

**HawkEye** · 02 Aug 04,, 05:57

I never said Kerry did.... or would.
Law is Law If Marines can not live with the Law then even the bullet proof ones got to hit the road NCO's shold know the law and if this Marine in question is so hot and being a good NCO knew what thigns he is not to say around his troops or that his troops can not read later on while he is in his officail capacity..... why was he taken off guard by someone merely walking in a fast food place?

In the United States Military after all the Best do not fight for a Party..... but for the Nation.

HawkEye

**HawkEye** · 02 Aug 04,, 06:08

Oh and you shold always be very careful if you choose to call someone a Traitor unless of course you have already Reported him to the President or judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State.

U.S. Code : Title 18 : Section 2382

Section 2382. Misprision of treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having
knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals
and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same
to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the
governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is
guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title
or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.

You and the Senator both owe allegiance to the United States.

HawkEye

**Officer of Engineers** · 02 Aug 04,, 06:50

Hawkeye,

We have similar laws in Canada. By the book, the Sgt would have gotten a Discharge with Disgrace. However, the Col is authorized to offer an administrative punishement instead of a GCM. This was a stupid mistake and if the Sgt is smart, he would take the admin punishement and the dress down. If he's stupid, I have no problem running through the paper work to drum him out of the Queen's Service.

**HawkEye** · 02 Aug 04,, 07:11

And that Colonel is why you are a Colonel and I am not.

I believe the world works best that way.

I know Law and Common sense.... I know Cause and Affect.... but always it seems untempered.

HawkEye

**Ray** · 02 Aug 04,, 07:23

As a man in uniform, I feel a soldier should carry himself correctly. with decorum and ensure the dignity of the uniform he has the privilege to wear.

As regards the punishment, if indeed it is contemplated, it should not be that harsh. But then each Army has its own rules.

**HawkEye** · 02 Aug 04,, 07:33

I believe you are also an Officer....... once again proving my point.

HawkEye

**Bill** · 02 Aug 04,, 08:23

Kerry is a traitor.

My proof is his portrait that hangs in a place of honor in the Vietnamese(as in North) Victory museum. General Giap has directly credited him, by NAME, with being instrumental in the breaking of US will to fight.

What's more, if i want to call a guy a traitor, i'll call him a traitor. If you don't like it you can go call the DA, and then you can kiss my nasty leg ass.

Those Marines are Americans, they have a right to vote, and dammit if it was up to me they'd certainly have the right to say that individually- they oppose or support a candidate. I don't care what the law says. Some laws are so stupid they should be broken as frequently as possible. This is one of them.

Airborne....

**HawkEye** · 02 Aug 04,, 08:30

Thats EOD not Airborne... as in Explosive Ordnance Disposal..... the United States Army Bomb Squad.

As far as you and Senator Kerry well thats just the way it goes I guess but always remember he is listed by the United States Government as a War Hero.... do you have a Silver Star?

Funny how you and your kind can always cut down real Heros (I remember in 2000 when your kind called Senator McCain a Traitor and a Coward) but I just don't see any Heros you can come up with to put on your partys ticket.... what a pity for your party.

HawkEye

**HawkEye** · 02 Aug 04,, 08:33

I would also like to point out that it is the United States Military that protects the Constitution of the United States of America..... the Law. Just what did you think your job was in the Military?

I don't care what the law says. Some laws are so stupid they should be broken as frequently as possible. This is one of them.

What are we as a Nation without Law?

HawkEye

**Bill** · 02 Aug 04,, 08:44

Kerry is a hero?

Is that what you said?

The guy that went back after engagements so he could re-enact it all on film for later use in his political career?

The one who's former shipmates have formed a group called "Kerry unfit to command"?

The one who fruadulently acquired his first purple heart, for a wound the doctor who treated it described as "A finger nail scratch"

The one who Author B.K. Burkett is about to release a damning book about? Burkett is the foremost expert on fraudulent Vietnam claims.

The one who supported the war, then opposed the war, then voted for the war, but then voted not to fund the war, that now says he's fit to run the war?

Dude, you live in a dream world. I think the concussion of some of those detonations may have jarred your brains too much.

Why does EOD have wings on their insignia? Have something to do with needing them on the way back down if ordnance goes off in an unplanned manner?

I uphold the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

NOWHERE IN THAT DOCUMENT DOES IT PREVENT A MARINE FROM SPEAKING HIS MIND.

All laws not in the constitution itself are a matter of interpretation. Do you wear your seatbelt always?

Cause it's a law you know....

I reserve the right to violate those laws i see fit because they're stupid. If caught, i will face the penalty like a man, not bow humbly like a sheep and cow to the man's wishes.

If you don't like it....well, you know what to do.

**Ray** · 02 Aug 04,, 08:53

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Kerry is a traitor.

My proof is his portrait that hangs in a place of honor in the Vietnamese(as in North) Victory museum. General Giap has directly credited him, by NAME, with being instrumental in the breaking of US will to fight.

What's more, if i want to call a guy a traitor, i'll call him a traitor. If you don't like it you can go call the DA, and then you can kiss my nasty leg ass.

Those Marines are Americans, they have a right to vote, and dammit if it was up to me they'd certainly have the right to say that individually- they oppose or support a candidate. I don't care what the law says. Some laws are so stupid they should be broken as frequently as possible. This is one of them.

Airborne....

Sniper,

It is a long time we have crossed swords and been on your crosssight of your sniper rifle

.

Maybe I have suddenly developed the desire to be be shot!

In my Army, we are supposed to vote. But we don't express out poltical opinion publicly. Not allowed to do so to be more precise.

It is like that time when I posted on a thread my unhappiness when a US soldier in Iraq criticised Rumsfeld. Not done. We, in uniform, are there to serve the Nation and the policies that the govt lays down (even if it is the govt we didn't vote for).

If it were total democracy, very few will fight! You are lucky you have thing like conscientious dissenters and such stuff, we don't have that luxury. Even in uniform, the Moslem soldiers refused to go ( as per some thread here). That's bullshit. They would be courtmatialled in my Army.

The US is really liberal but let liberalism not become licence to do what one wants to do.

If it is to be licence, then why wear the uniform? Why go through that crap 'torture' at boot camp that we see in Hollywood film. Since I was not in the US Army, I go by the films.

OOE (Colonel) doesn't like my praising the Colonel in the film, 'Few Good Men", but I liked his last statement at the film Colonel's Court Martial. I may not condone what he and his men did; but bareboned, the film Colonel's word was real! The blinking civillians don't realise the sacrifice the military men have to do! Even not speaking out one's political affliation is a sacrifice that we must do for our Nation so that the militiary remains apolitical; or else we will take over the govt as it happens repeatedly in Pakistan and in teh way what I saw in a Hollywood film about the US (fictional) when I was a Cadet, 'Seven Days in May'. Never forgot the film. Very Chilling!

As soldiers, we must be in the vanguard to be the model citizen of our respective countries and be an example for all our citizens! Any deviation requires correction, including removal of the privilige to wear the badge of the Nation's confidence in you - the Uniform!

**Bill** · 02 Aug 04,, 08:57

I've sat in many a muddy foxhole freezing my dick off, and i did it willingly. I have no problem with sevice and sacrifice, and a soldier supporting the chain of command.

Kerry is not a member in any way, shape, or form, of the chain of command.

Therefore, i believe they should be able to express a personal opinion on the matter if asked.

This mindless automaton stuff gets you a military like the Russians had, with everyone afraid to say boo. That is not a worthy goal to aspire to in your military.

BTW: Hawkeye, i know you were EOD, i was taunting you.