Was 9/11 an inside job?

**gunnut** · 30 Oct 06,, 19:17

Originally Posted by dalem

What about the dozens of witnesses, film of the events, the hundreds of missing people, the recorded evidence of OBL, the missing planes, and the fact that there's no rational reason for your interpretation of things?

-dale

Witnesses schmitnesses...

Bush did it for oil to further global warming.

I read it on the internet so it must be true.

**gunnut** · 30 Oct 06,, 19:20

Originally Posted by Warmonger

You guys must have been born in the State of Denial in order to follow the official story so blindly...what about the molten steel found in the rubble?- oh, wait - it was the magic aircraftfuel that did it - right?:

http://www.911truth.dk/first/en/kp_towers.htm

How do you explain my consipiracy theory of black leaders keeping their own people down in order to retain votes?

Open your eyes, man. Stop following the official explanation of black's plight so blindly. The truth is out there. All you have to do is make up some stuff that sounds halfway reasonable and the consipiracy will follow.

**Wooglin** · 30 Oct 06,, 21:22

Originally Posted by Warmonger

You guys must have been born in the State of Denial in order to follow the official story so blindly...what about the molten steel found in the rubble?- oh, wait - it was the magic aircraftfuel that did it - right?:

http://www.911truth.dk/first/en/kp_towers.htm

No, it was certainly the thermite that was secretly planted in both towers. Of course that wouldn't explain the "explosions" so it must have been used with regular demolitions to bring the towers down.

There was smoke at the base of the tower so (ignoring burning debris from the plane impacts) this proves demolitions were used in the basement, which was allegedly before the planes crashed into the towers...

except the towers fell from the top down...

so it must have been demolitions used in the basement (though I can't imagine why), then demolitions used on the upper floors (conveniently starting at the floors where the planes just happen to hit) along with thermite, which was all set up ahead of time in secret locations throughout the buildings without anyone ever noticing.

"But, but, but there were spurts coming from below the falling tower, proving demolitions were used!!"

You know what made up 90% of the towers? Air.

You know what happens when 100's of tons of steel and concrete suddenly drop into an enclosed space filled with air? Drop a load of bricks onto a plastic bag full of air and see what happens.

"But, but, but the towers were built to withstand plane impacts!!!"

And the Titanic was built to be unsinkable. What's you're point?

"Are we to believe the designers did not take jet fuel into account?"

Are we to believe the designers of the aformentioned ship didn't take icebergs into account? Or was that perhaps an inside job too?

"But, but, but a B-25 bomber hit the Empire State Building and it didn't fall!!!"

And a B-25 is a prop plane not loaded with jet fuel, nor is it even relatively large.

All typical arguments I have seen over and over again, none of which prove a damn thing.

**gunnut** · 30 Oct 06,, 21:49

Originally Posted by Wooglin

"But, but, but a B-25 bomber hit the Empire State Building and it didn't fall!!!"

And a B-25 is a prop plane not loaded with jet fuel, nor is it even relatively large.

All typical arguments I have seen over and over again, none of which prove a damn thing.

That one takes the cake.

Obviously these morons haven't seen a B-25 or are familiar with its flying characteristics vs. that of a 767.

Half of the left wing alone on the 767 probably generated more impact force than the B-25 that hit the Empire State building.

Yeah, every building should be built to withstand the impact from a Boeing 767 with a full tank at cruising speed.

**Wooglin** · 30 Oct 06,, 22:02

Originally Posted by gunnut

That one takes the cake.

Obviously these morons haven't seen a B-25 or are familiar with its flying characteristics vs. that of a 767.

Half of the left wing alone on the 767 probably generated more impact force than the B-25 that hit the Empire State building.

Yeah, every building should be built to withstand the impact from a Boeing 767 with a full tank at cruising speed.

I love how they use the pencil (767) pushed through the mesh of a screen door (the steel structure) to simulate what the impact should have been like...

Let's conveniently ignore the massive wings or the fact that a giant gash that alsmost spanned the length of the tower existed.

Of course, I suppose that could have been a holograhpic image or something...

**Edgeplay_cgo** · 30 Oct 06,, 22:04

Originally Posted by Warmonger

Well, if you investigated the material at hand, you would know why a lot of people think that the government was in on it. But surely you "don´t belive in conspiracy theories" - ignoring the fact that the official story is yet another conspiracy theory.

Boy, why don't you stop simply parroting misunderstood sounds, and actually try arguing WHY and HOW 9-11 was an inside job. That way, your inane arguments can be attacked instead of your unworthy persona.

Ad hominems are so boring, but you give us no other target.

**Edgeplay_cgo** · 30 Oct 06,, 22:08

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

There were witnesses CALLING INTO CNN saying they saw the JUMBO JET hit the pentagon first hand....

I have a colleague who was on site as part of the Pentagon rehab construction project. He was also involved in the clean up and restoration after the attack. (They simply got a change order extending their contract.)
There was no doubt in his mind, so there is none in mine, completely independent of all the other evidence.

I have colleagues who were involved in the WTC recovery as well. Same general situation. Same conclusion.

**Edgeplay_cgo** · 30 Oct 06,, 22:11

Originally Posted by dalem

if you believe it is even remotely true you should be overthrowing the entire government right now.

There are two kinds of people spreading the 9-11 conspiracy lie. Those who are pathologically stupid, and hate their country. Those who know it is a lie and hate their country.

I spit on them both, and would wish the latter killed as enemy agents. (by the duly appointed authorities, of course)

**Edgeplay_cgo** · 30 Oct 06,, 22:15

Originally Posted by Warmonger

what about the molten steel found in the rubble?- oh, wait - it was the magic aircraftfuel that did it - right?:

That's not a big deal. The temperatures achievable in a jetfuel fired blaze in an enclosed space can easily achieve those temperatures. I do it in my shop, using only a few pounds of propane - a far less energetic fuel.

Also, how is a demolition agent going to produce significant quantities of molten steel?

This is the problem with so many points of the conspiracy theory bullcrap. It's written by morons or propagandists (I'm betting on the latter) and read by people who don't know the difference.

**Edgeplay_cgo** · 30 Oct 06,, 22:16

Originally Posted by gunnut

You know, I believe the plight of black Americans is an inside job.

The Congressional Black Caucus, along with other black leaders such as Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakan, work in unison to keep the black population dependent on government handouts.

Hey! That's MY conspiracy theory. Give it back!

**Edgeplay_cgo** · 30 Oct 06,, 22:24

Originally Posted by Wooglin

No, it was certainly the thermite that was secretly planted in both towers.

I can't think of a more inefficient way to demolish the structures. Or a more obvious one.

so it must have been demolitions used in the basement (though I can't imagine why), then demolitions used on the upper floors (conveniently starting at the floors where the planes just happen to hit) along with thermite, which was all set up ahead of time in secret locations throughout the buildings without anyone ever noticing.

Again, that's not the way anyone with a brain would attempt to demolish the buildings, and not one that would conform with the pattern of destruction.

"But, but, but the towers were built to withstand plane impacts!!!"

A 707; a whole lot smaller than the planes that were actually used.

"Are we to believe the designers did not take jet fuel into account?"

Not that much of it.

In retrospect, the terrorists possibly attacked exactly the right building in exactly the right way. An examination of the design show exactly why the Towers came down the way they did. They may as well have been designed to fail that way.

Deliberate? Hardly. Who woulda thunk, when the Towers were built ... You design for the worst anticipated loads. Unanticipated loads are ... we4ll ... unanticipated.

I'm not attacking your post, Wooglin, merely elaborating on it. And probably peiing into the wind. <shrug>

**Edgeplay_cgo** · 30 Oct 06,, 22:26

Originally Posted by gunnut

every building should be built to withstand the impact from a Boeing 767 with a full tank at cruising speed.

It can be done. There are some fine examples at Giza. Kinda short of useable office space, though.

**Edgeplay_cgo** · 30 Oct 06,, 22:29

Originally Posted by Wooglin

I love how they use the pencil (767) pushed through the mesh of a screen door (the steel structure) to simulate what the impact should have been like...

Considering that a pencil in no way resembles an aircraft fuselage with fuel laden wings, and a screen door in no way resembles a shell supported structure with open web steel joists clear spanning between the stiffness cores and the shell, it's not a bad analogy.

In other words, it bears no resemblance to the facts (for you people in Rio Linda <ducking>)

**Officer of Engineers** · 30 Oct 06,, 22:34

The Illuminati is not amused.

**Bill** · 30 Oct 06,, 23:30

Originally Posted by gunnut

That one takes the cake.

Obviously these morons haven't seen a B-25 or are familiar with its flying characteristics vs. that of a 767.

Half of the left wing alone on the 767 probably generated more impact force than the B-25 that hit the Empire State building.

Yeah, every building should be built to withstand the impact from a Boeing 767 with a full tank at cruising speed.

The World Trade centers were designed to suvive a hit from a 707.

NOT a 767 with a virtual MAX load of fuel.