Mexico may take fence dispute to U.N.

**troung** · 10 Oct 06, 23:06

Needed its own thread....

Mexico may take fence dispute to U.N.

By JENNY BARCHFIELD, Associated Press Writer Mon Oct 9, 4:59 PM ET

PARIS - Mexico's foreign secretary said Monday the country may take a dispute over U.S. plans to build a fence on the Mexican border to the
United Nations.
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Luis Ernesto Derbez told reporters in Paris, his first stop on a European tour, that a legal investigation was under way to determine whether Mexico has a case.

The Mexican government last week sent a diplomatic note to Washington criticizing the plan for 700 miles of new fencing along the border. President-elect Felipe Calderon also denounced the plan, but said it was a bilateral issue that should not be put before the international community.

Derbez said Monday after meeting with French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy that it was a "shame" U.S. immigration policy had been used for what he claimed was a short-term political gain in the lead-up to midterm elections in the U.S. in November.

He said he discussed the issue with Douste-Blazy, and planned to bring it up in meetings with his Spanish and Italian counterparts during visits to Madrid and Rome. He vowed to work on the case until the "very last day" of President
Vicente Fox's term, which ends Dec. 1.

The U.S. Senate approved the border fence bill last month and
President Bush has said he will sign it into law — despite last-minute pleas from the Mexican government for a veto.

"What should be constructed is a bridge in relations between the two countries," Derbez said

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061009/...JlYmhvBHNlYwM-

**bonehead** · 11 Oct 06, 01:54

Originally Posted by troung

Needed its own thread....

Mexico may take fence dispute to U.N.

By JENNY BARCHFIELD, Associated Press Writer Mon Oct 9, 4:59 PM ET

PARIS - Mexico's foreign secretary said Monday the country may take a dispute over U.S. plans to build a fence on the Mexican border to the
United Nations.
ADVERTISEMENT

Luis Ernesto Derbez told reporters in Paris, his first stop on a European tour, that a legal investigation was under way to determine whether Mexico has a case.

The Mexican government last week sent a diplomatic note to Washington criticizing the plan for 700 miles of new fencing along the border. President-elect Felipe Calderon also denounced the plan, but said it was a bilateral issue that should not be put before the international community.

Derbez said Monday after meeting with French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy that it was a "shame" U.S. immigration policy had been used for what he claimed was a short-term political gain in the lead-up to midterm elections in the U.S. in November.

He said he discussed the issue with Douste-Blazy, and planned to bring it up in meetings with his Spanish and Italian counterparts during visits to Madrid and Rome. He vowed to work on the case until the "very last day" of President
Vicente Fox's term, which ends Dec. 1.

The U.S. Senate approved the border fence bill last month and
President Bush has said he will sign it into law — despite last-minute pleas from the Mexican government for a veto.

"What should be constructed is a bridge in relations between the two countries," Derbez said

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061009/...JlYmhvBHNlYwM-

Mexican arrogance never ceases to amaze me. If millions of Salvadorans, Guatamalan's and Nicaraguans poured into Mexico, Mexico would consider it an act of war yet these bonzos think it is hunky dory to freely go to the states like they are going to a 7/11. Word to Mr fox and his idiot followers, " The U.S. is NOT PART OF MEXICO! There is a border between the two countries and illegals are not welcome. Mexicans have no right whatsoever to move freely across international borders with out first satisfying enterance requirments." Do we really have to start killing people who are illegally crossing the border befor the Mexicans get a clue that what they are doing is not right? Being a gracious host is one thing. Being totally taken advantage of is quite another. Not only should there be a fence, but Mexico should pay for it and there should be severe consequences for those caught trying to enter illegally. Boycot Mexico.

**Confed999** · 11 Oct 06, 02:09

To the UN? So? LOL!!!!

**TopHatter** · 11 Oct 06, 02:54

Originally Posted by bonehead

If millions of Salvadorans, Guatamalan's and Nicaraguans poured into Mexico, Mexico would consider it an act of war

Good point. Mexico has an extremely strict immigration policy and an extremely xenophobic stance towards non-native born citizens.

In the United States, only two posts — the presidency and vice presidency — are reserved for the native born.

In Mexico, non-natives are banned from those and thousands of other jobs, even if they are legal, naturalized citizens.

Foreign-born Mexicans can't hold seats in either house of the congress. They're also banned from state legislatures, the Supreme Court and all governorships. Many states ban foreign-born Mexicans from spots on town councils. And Mexico's Constitution reserves almost all federal posts, and any position in the military and merchant marine, for "native-born Mexicans."

Recently the Mexican government has gone even further. Since at least 2003, it has encouraged cities to ban non-natives from such local jobs as firefighters, police and judges.

Mexico's Interior Department — which recommended the bans as part of "model" city statutes it distributed to local officials — could cite no basis for extending the bans to local posts. Source

I also love how the Mexican government is exploring what "legal" options they have about this fence.

Here's your legal option: Work on your country's economy so that you don't have export your own citizens across miles of killing desert so they can send money back home just to feed their families.

Think you can manage that one?

Yeah, probably not. Not anymore than you can cease being complete hypocrites.

**JBodnar39** · 11 Oct 06, 13:44

Illegal immigration of its citizens to the US is a boon for the Mexican economy and the Mex government knows it but won't admit it for what it is. One of the largest sources of income for that country's economy is the billions each year sent home by illegal immigrants in the US to their families.

**TopHatter** · 11 Oct 06, 16:57

Originally Posted by JBodnar39

One of the largest sources of income for that country's economy is the billions each year sent home by illegal immigrants in the US to their families.

It is in fact the second largest source of foreign (American?) currency in Mexio, after oil revenues.

**ChrisF202** · 11 Oct 06, 21:46

Did you know:

- That it is basically impossible for one to become a Mexican citizen unless you marry one.

- It is impossible for a non native born Mexican citizen to own land of any size.

- Mexico uses its military to patrol their border with Guatemala and the police and military routinely attack illegal immigrants from their "south of the border"

The hypocrisy and arrogance on their part is is amazing.

**jame$thegreat** · 12 Oct 06, 15:12

Originally Posted by bonehead

Mexican arrogance never ceases to amaze me. If millions of Salvadorans, Guatamalan's and Nicaraguans poured into Mexico, Mexico would consider it an act of war yet these bonzos think it is hunky dory to freely go to the states like they are going to a 7/11. Word to Mr fox and his idiot followers, " The U.S. is NOT PART OF MEXICO! There is a border between the two countries and illegals are not welcome. Mexicans have no right whatsoever to move freely across international borders with out first satisfying enterance requirments." Do we really have to start killing people who are illegally crossing the border befor the Mexicans get a clue that what they are doing is not right? Being a gracious host is one thing. Being totally taken advantage of is quite another. Not only should there be a fence, but Mexico should pay for it and there should be severe consequences for those caught trying to enter illegally. Boycot Mexico.

Can someone explain to me how it is at all wrong to isntead of having miles of razor wire and hundreds of guard towers with militia armed with PSG-1's (my brilliant idea) build a completly non-hostile wall. That like saying that some poor guy that lives across the street from you should be able to walk into your house at will and live there and eat your food and contribute no money to your houshold whatsoever and you call the police and they say "oh no, his hosue sucks yours is better let him stay hes poor dont you know." AND on top of that when you attempt to keep him out you are doing something "wrong" or "immoral"

makes me so mad

**chIEr** · 03 Jan 07, 11:22

Can someone explain to me how it is at all wrong to isntead of having miles of razor wire and hundreds of guard towers with militia armed with PSG-1's (my brilliant idea) build a completly non-hostile wall. That like saying that some poor guy that lives across the street from you should be able to walk into your house at will and live there and eat your food and contribute no money to your houshold whatsoever and you call the police and they say "oh no, his hosue sucks yours is better let him stay hes poor dont you know." AND on top of that when you attempt to keep him out you are doing something "wrong" or "immoral" makes me so mad

hahahahahahaha

i think its a biger picture , the government dosent do nothing because alot of us companies have a hold on central and southcentral countries, you have to also remember that its not just mexicans its the hole central americas and the south americas the mexican border is just the conduet the us government has forced alot of policies on to wich the mexican government enforces their boerders tighly but it still dosent work, alot of american companies monopolize south american companies i mean in EL SALVADOR for example u see wallmarts there etc **** theres even the us dollar runing there and there in iraq haha and you are wining about someone trying to make an effort to make money? yet alone just move to have a better life for their kids, i mean ur not seing the picture your just wining like most , i remmeber i heard someone talk about gangs taking over the usa by immigrants and blah blah blah immigrants this anf that, its retated anybody in los angeles knows that ms13 was founded in los angeles , 18st wich has so called clickes alll the way in ''lebannon'' it also started in los angeles umongst correctional facilities during the 1930's or 1940's during ww2 well actually during the suit-zoot riotsduring about that time when a bunch of navy men that thought like you decided to beat up every latino/immigrant/ mostly or suit-zoot in sight , **** when i think about it we brought this situation to ourselfs because of people that think like you. instead of winning preassure your/our goverment companies to release investments in southamerica so they could be on a road to stablelising their economy....

**Ray** · 03 Jan 07, 12:36

So long the fence is on the US side of the border, there is no case.

Rather odd of Mexico to even think of such non issues.

**Kassad** · 03 Jan 07, 13:13

Originally Posted by ChrisF202

Did you know:

- That it is basically impossible for one to become a Mexican citizen unless you marry one.

- It is impossible for a non native born Mexican citizen to own land of any size.

- Mexico uses its military to patrol their border with Guatemala and the police and military routinely attack illegal immigrants from their "south of the border"

Learn something new everyday. thanks.

**CMartel** · 03 Jan 07, 16:53

Since the American public decided to oust the only body (the House of Representatives under Republican control) in the political arena that had any backbone regarding illegal immigration and the construction of a fence, I think the issue is mute.

The Dems certainly won't lift a finger to build a fence.

Our dear President Bush doesn't want one.

There are no presidential candidates I can see who will stump for a fence.

!Viva Meximerica!

**sirpuddingfoot** · 03 Jan 07, 21:21

I think you mean "the issue is [moot]", and I think you're correct.

Most americans realized that this was silly, protectionist/isolationist, and ultimately pointless.

**omon** · 03 Jan 07, 21:56

the sad reality is, most homes build by mexicans, landscape industry depends on mexicans, countless number of buisneses employ mexicans, there was a movie about, how all mexicans sudenly disapeared from us, the result was chaos, noting was runing as usual, there is truth in that, us economy depends on cheap laibor, that is why you pay for groceries as much as you pay, not 2x more. in brooklyn lion share of stores, food places, car washes..ect employ mexicans, they pay them half of what americans are willing to work for, take all this away, life would be very different. unfortunatly for us we need mexicans as much as they need us.

if we kick them all out, i don't think we would benefit from that,there's gonna be some nasty consiquenses to deal with.

fence is a good idea, to control them, not entirely eliminate them.

**highsea** · 03 Jan 07, 22:14

Originally Posted by CMartel

Since the American public decided to oust the only body (the House of Representatives under Republican control) in the political arena that had any backbone regarding illegal immigration and the construction of a fence, I think the issue is mute.

Well, the measure is already signed into law. So if the Dems want to repeal it, they will have to pass another bill, which might or might not be vetoed by the President. The funding is already appropriated, as part of the $33.8 Bn domestic security package.

I don't think Bush was necessarily opposed to the fence, but he wanted a guest worker program included in the package.

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