Thread: Colorado school bans the US flag.

Originally Posted by platinum786

it was done to present a seuperiorit over the hispanic students....who where doing the same thing.

Almost everything students - ALL STUDNTS - do is to show they are "better" than the other students. You think kids can appreciate Tommy Hilfiger shoes or purses? No. They buy a name because they can and other students cannot. (It is not until adulthood that one realizes the man is a freakin' genius when it comes to purses, shoes and accessories ) They drive certain cars to express their superiority, walk a certain way, talk a certain way, etc etc.

Just because the students may not have been expressing their patriotism does not mean flags should be banned. They need to deal with the problem children because they are not going to go away with the flags. There will be other problems they can cause and not everything can be banned from school.

Originally Posted by Confed999

This school has plenty of flags, one in front for sure and probably one per class room. It is only the students who are no longer allowed to bring flags to school, because they cannot behave themselves.

but that is not going to make them behave, it will only force them to direct their misbehaving using something other than a flag...pencils, protractors or rulers perhaps - shall we ban them?

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

but that is not going to make them behave, it will only force them to direct their misbehaving using something other than a flag...pencils, protractors or rulers perhaps - shall we ban them?

I agree, but I'm not willing to pay the multi-million dollar law suit from a kid getting hurt because of it. Are you? Work on getting a more conservative legal system, and maybe these kinda things won't be any big deal.

Originally Posted by Confed999

I agree, but I'm not willing to pay the multi-million dollar law suit from a kid getting hurt because of it. Are you? Work on getting a more conservative legal system, and maybe these kinda things won't be any big deal.

Because of a flag? You think the stars and stripes are more lethal than a protractor? If kids cannot be trusted with a giant hunk of fabric, how can they be trusted with a sharpened pencil?

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

Because of a flag?

Yes, because of a flag. That is what we're talking about here, kids fighting over flags...

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

You think the stars and stripes are more lethal than a protractor? If kids cannot be trusted with a giant hunk of fabric, how can they be trusted with a sharpened pencil?

What I think does not matter, I do not have children, thus I am not the one who would sue because the school was "negligent" with my kid's safety. I'm certain a court would say pens, papers, books, etc., were needed for school children in order to perform their work assignments, and rule in favor of the school. The way I see it, you should be mad at the courts and the ambulance chasing lawyers...

Originally Posted by Confed999

The way I see it, you should be mad at the courts and the ambulance chasing lawyers...

Well I am not mad @ anyone, myself. But if I were a parent there, I'd have bought up all the patriotic fabric and started making my daughter clothes to wear out of it.

I, by no means, teach Kenzie to break the law or try to bend the rules, but she is taught to stand up for what she believes in and I will ALWAYS back her on that even if I do not agree with her beliefs, as I would with anyone else.

These parents and educators down there should hae taken this and used it as a learning experience. They should have used this to teach the kids how to work out their differences peacefully and how to compromise and deal with people in a mature, level-headed manner. The elders of that community may not have been the ones causing the problems, but they sure did nothing to correct it. Taking away flags just pushes the problem into the background for the time being.

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

I'd have bought up all the patriotic fabric and started making my daughter clothes to wear out of it.

Unless that's in the dress code, or part of the ban, you should be able too. Honestly, I'd have to guess if it got that out of hand with flags, you'd be a might more concerned for your daughter's safety than to dress her in a flag.

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

These parents and educators down there should hae taken this and used it as a learning experience.

They have already learned a lesson: the second something could be used as an excuse for a law suit, get rid of it.

Originally Posted by Confed999

They have already learned a lesson: the second something could be used as an excuse for a law suit, get rid of it.

That is just encouraging lawsuits. Why not try to teach the kids to get long or deal with eachother in a different way - a more civil way? Instead of teaching the kids to throw out their beliefs and liberties at the first sign of trouble. Instead of teaching the kids it is better to NOT stand for what you believe in because someone else may not like it. These kids are going to be running our country in 20 years - I want them to fight diplomatically. I don't want them to throw away our flag because someone does not like to see it.

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

That is just encouraging lawsuits.

The current legal system encourages law suits.

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

Why not try to teach the kids to get long or deal with eachother in a different way - a more civil way?

I say toss the trouble makers in jail, real jail not kiddie jail. Or go back to beating them. Either way a few examples and the rest will figure it out.

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

Instead of teaching the kids to throw out their beliefs and liberties at the first sign of trouble.

Last I checked, kids have nearly no liberties, and their beliefs are not required for school work. A class in school could never progress if it had to deal with each and every possible individual opinion...

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

These kids are going to be running our country in 20 years - I want them to fight diplomatically.

And they just learned that their actions have consequences.

Originally Posted by Confed999

And they just learned that their actions have consequences.

They just learned that what they believe in and what our ancestors have fought for means so little that we can turn it away at the first sign of trouble.

They learned that our if our flag, one of the most important symbols of our country, offends someone who is HERE is the US, we will ban it to prevent that person from having to see it instead of telling that person to get over it.

They learned that because they ae younger members of society, what they think and feel means nothing if an "adult" does not agree with them. The adults are not always right.

They did not learn how to disagree with someone in a civil manner.

They did not learn how to protest something peacefully.

They did not learn that they have a voice that will be respected and heard.

They learned how to be angry, but they did not learn how to respectfully and properly channel that anger. They are no better off than they were 2 weeks ago.

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

They just learned that what they believe in and what our ancestors have fought for means so little that we can turn it away at the first sign of trouble.

They learned that our if our flag, one of the most important symbols of our country, offends someone who is HERE is the US, we will ban it to prevent that person from having to see it instead of telling that person to get over it.

The school still has it's flags up...

Originally Posted by Confed999

The school still has it's flags up...

I give up. I cannot make you se my point or my side...you got it! I'm done here...










...for now - I have actual work to do.

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

I give up. I cannot make you se my point or my side...you got it! I'm done here...

...for now - I have actual work to do.

I'm trying, I really am. I'm doing a lot of sholder shruging on this side of the screen too.

As I've said before, I think the school made the wrong choice, but I know exactly why they made it. IMHO, this should have been handled with a stack of expulsion papers being served up to kids in handcuffs.

I also think, and I've said this before too, if the kids do not need it for school, it should be banned. The schools are nicer than me even now, they let the kids bring things until it becomes a problem. I say all the little punks got better than they deserved. If I were one of their parents I would be ashamed if my kids were involved in the fights, instigating the fights, or making a stink out of no longer being allowed to bring a flag because of it. They would then probably find themselves enroled in a school run by stereotypical scarry ass nuns.

BTW, on a side note, I don't remember anyone bringing a flag of any nation to school, and I'm no less a patriot...

Originally Posted by Confed999

BTW, on a side note, I don't remember anyone bringing a flag of any nation to school, and I'm no less a patriot...

I used to have a sticker I stuck on the outside of my locker that had an American flag and a Mexican flag intertwined (which btw, I am looking to have made into a tattoo, so if there are any artists here, what I want is to have them facing eachother as they are below, but "flowing" and intertwined together. I have not been able to get anyone to draw exactly what I am looking for as yet.)