oneman28

When CCP took power in 1949. It did not control the all of the China. A lot of Nationalism Party's troops were still active in the vast western area. All the people killed for land rights and those troops could be amount to 2 million. That happened between 1949 -1956

For the Great Leap in 1958 - 1961. There were natural disaster. There were a lot of starvation. For example, an article has some numbers for the lose in the production in one area. It produced 2.9 billion KG food in 1958, but only around 1 billion KG in 1959. During that time, China even could not produce enough food in normal years, let alone the sharp decrease. You can imagine the disaster. the article estimated that the Great Leap movement caused the 10% of this lose. This is a fair estimation. Some people simply denying the existing disaster and only think the politicians should be responsible for that.

I know how the number of 20-30 milion comes. It assumes that the birth rates were the same as normal years, and the population data were totally unrenaible for those years. It even did not consider the low birth rate and high death rate during the disaster years. Russia's population decreased by 6 million in recent years because of the economical difficulties after communist lost its power in that country. There was no big natural disasters in Russia since 1991.

Agricultural communes existed before 1958. It functioned well before 1958. Only in the great leap, some leaders boasted the production unreasonably. Another leader Liu Shaoqi (who died during cultural revolution due to the cancer, he was a political loser in China too) and even Deng Xiaoping should hold the responsible for those. Mao was acturally against the boastings (a lot of his articles can prove that). CCP made a selected works of Liu after the cultural revolution, none of Liu's works or speeches during 1959 and 1960 were selected. He was a very important leader during that time. On average, 4 of his articles should be slected for each year. Deng Xiaoping who was a politicle allance of Liu wanted to take the credits from Mao and put all the errors on Mao's side after mao's death. Deng's reform will be rejudged. At least he took a lot of credits from Mao.

During the cultural revolution, alot of people was surpressed for the political reasons. But very few were killed. Even Liu Shaoqi died from his cancer. Marshall Peng died from his illness. Both died at their 70s. The 10 million life lose in the cultural revolution is my first time to see. I don't think the person who posted can find a reliable resourse to justify his statement.

During the cultural revolution, China had about 700 million population, do you believe 134 million were put in prison? This number is also my first time to hear. Of course only the stupid believe those numbers.

I mentioned a lot of Deng Xiaoping. But no matter what, he is still great for his reform. But he took a lot of credits from Mao's achievement. More and more Chinese are talking about the negative side of the reform now. For example: Corruption, even and fair development, pollutions, education system, public health system.....

It is off the topic.