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Old 04-16-2005, 23:19 PM   #42 (permalink)
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"Sounded to me like you wanted to end support in your posts. Military equipment becomes useless rapidly without maintainence. The ones still reciving support could continue to grow stronger, and I'm not sure how you can't see that."

Peace treaties are already in place. We arms them with inferior equipment to keep an edge for Israel and the ones we arm are no longer in a state of war. Unless Israel up and does something silly...

And as for the stuff falling apart if we stop paying for the parts and suppling money...

Iran still has 58 combat ready F-14As of the 79 supplied in 1976. Vietnam used F-5A/F-5Es, CH-47As, UH-1Hs, C-130s and U-17s in 1978 to invade Cambodia. Laos used T-28s to bomb the Hmong in the 1970s. Burma still has UH-1Hs in service. Pakistan has 28 of the 40 F-16A/Bs.

So no the sky would not fall but it would be a powerful message to them that we run the show, we don't like getting stabbed in the back and we want "Peace in the Middle East".

"Can you prove they intend to honor these pieces of paper? I don't trust them based on how their people are treated, let alone how they've treated Israel in the past. How many treaties did Nazi Germany have with countries it invaded?"

The treaties have been in place for more then 20 years. And the only shooting was an Egyptian border guard or two getting shot by the IDF and no follow up tension. Jordan was ready to talk back in 1971 but because it was not good timing deployed a small force to 1973 then made peace. And Egypt is not Nazi Germany...

"Sounds like Israel was at "the table" huh? Would Egypt/Jordan have made peace if they thought they could win?"

Actually force of arms brough Israel to the peace table with Egypt.

Israel was not going to negatiate before the war. The 1973 war was launched with that point in mind to cross the canal, kill a bunch of Israeli soldiers, scare the nation of Israel, and show the world the Israelis bleed the same color as everyone else, show everyone Egypt can fight and call it a day. The point of the war was not as much to retake the Sinai (for them it would have been great but not necassiry) as to show up and kill as many IDF soldiers as possible. Israel did not leave 1973 head up high like in 1967.

It actually worked and Israel sat down with them.

"Using nukes as a last resort is blackmail? Sorry, no way. That would make the USA and Russia the biggest blackmailers of them all, but I do not believe they would be used short of despiration."

The USA and USSR had them pointed at each other, this is more like India (Israel) pointing nukes at Bangledesh (Syria).

"Again, you beleive the neighborhood is honest and trustworthy, I do not. Prove they are, or forget about my support. Things are moving forward slowly, and I am not willing to risk a war of that scale."

They are moving slowly because someone is dragging their feet and someone is letting them.

"The bit I quoted, and replied to, expressly stated "sanctions"."

I wouldn't even think we would have to sanction them to correct what I said just cut back aid. Aid money is not a right.
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