Thread: Imperialism?
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Old 01-25-2005, 16:31 PM   #8 (permalink)
tarek
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I assure you the only provocation I am up to is academic and entirely intellectual - But I do see how it is provocative and that's what so appealing about it - We have a certain comfort level with regard to some ideas and I had hoped that we may reevaluate the basis of our comfort with those ideas.


Lets review again, whether Indian were were slaves of the English - this idea, and I suggest that it's only substance is it's value as rhetoric, really we have no credible evidence to offer that the Indian were ever "slaves" of the English.

you view the suggestion that the Imperialists introduced into our society ideas political and human liberation, as yet more, provocation, you say:"aboutEmancipation? They did not bring any 'human liberation'. It was the Congrees Party and the Khilafat Movement, the Gaddar Movement of the Sikhs and things like that. It was influenced by the happenings around the world. Did the Sepoy Mutiny come out by 'human liberation' as you imply by the British? It came about by the tyranny of the British perpetuated by Lord Dalhousie and his indirect way to build an Empire through the 'Doctrine of Lapse'"

Look it, "Congress Party" -- which part of this idea is at all Indian?? Which part of the political ideology of the Congress party Indian or takes any frame of reference from within Indian history and culture??

THink about the entire idea of "movement" - since when was that any other than Western in inspiration and method??

How abou the notion of political liberation? did that not come with Western Imperialism? Isn't Democracy in India the fruit of such?

BTW do you think the Swami Viveknanda's epic project would have any meaning without "secularism" in the Western sense ??

Many people imagine that Western civ means technology but not ideas, perhaps they can be afforded an opportunity to reevaluate that idea.

"What exactly are you implying?" You ask ,- well, just that we could have done a lot worse than Western imperialism
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