World Affairs Board - View Single Post - F-16 FALCON vs. MIG-29 FULCRUM

troung · 01-24-2005, 20:28 PM

God what a waste of time. That article was written before the MiG-29 slaughters over the skies of Serbia and Eritrea and of course leaves out the MiG-29 was totally unable to bring down low flying F-4Ds in Iran as the plane had zero LD/SD ability.

It's easy to figure out thistopic is an extension of the India Pakistan thingy.....

"Just to let you know a PAF F-16 was shot down by Russian Mig-23 or a Mig-27 with UNGUIDED BOMBS... the Pakistani's claim that the F-16 was shot down by it's own wingmen who freaked out after seeing the Migs... but does this mean that the F-16 is not a good plane?"

The PAF F-16 was shot down with an AIM-9 fired by his flight leader. The PAF F-16s also tore apart the VVS/DRAAF units they faced on the border shooting down Su-25s, Su-22s, MiG-23MLDs and MiG-21s along with cargo planes and helicopters.

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F-16s and MiG-29s have tangled in real life and the F-16 came out ahead.

More F-16 users have an ARH BVR missile then do MiG-29 users.

Thailand (facing R-27R armed Burmese MiG-29As)
Israel (facing R-27R armed Syrian MiG-29As)
Jordan (facing R-27R armed Syrian MiG-29As)
Greece (closest MiG-29s are in Serbia)
Portugal
Norway
Netherlands
Belgium
Denmark
Turkey (facing R-27R armed Syrian MiG-29As)
Singapore (facing R-27R and possible R-77E armed MiG-29Ns)
South Korea (facing R-27R armed Northern Korean MiG-29s)
Taiwan
America
UAE (facing R-27R armed Iranian MiG-29As)

In fact only 3 F-16 users lack BVR and those are Indonesia, Venezuela and Pakistan as even Egypt has the AIM-7M on thier F-16C B-40s. The AIM-7M works in combat a lot better then the R-27R which is closer in effect to the AIM-7E-2. Only India, Peru and Malaysia are in theory fitted for the R-77E and only India has the missile active on thier planes.

The F-16 has a better view out the cockpit, is far more user friendly, easier to support and keep in the air, has longer range, greater SA, and has a greater external payload.

So pretty much every MiG-29 which could tangle with an F-16 would be out classed. And that is leaving out that only two MiG-29 users (Russia/Iran) has AWACs in operation while America (E-3), Greece (Eireye) Singapore (E-2C), Israel (Phalcon) and Taiwan (E-2C) have operational AWACs (the NATO nations would not enter without AWACs but those are not techically in thier service). Chile is getting thier F-16s and already has the Phalcon. The UAE, South Korea and Turkey are all getting AWACs.

So lets be honest other then two theatres the F-16 totally outclasses the likely MiG-29 oppostion... and of course you would only want to talk about one of those areas.

01-24-2005, 20:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
troung A Self Important *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 4,390 Country:	God what a waste of time. That article was written before the MiG-29 slaughters over the skies of Serbia and Eritrea and of course leaves out the MiG-29 was totally unable to bring down low flying F-4Ds in Iran as the plane had zero LD/SD ability. It's easy to figure out thistopic is an extension of the India Pakistan thingy..... "Just to let you know a PAF F-16 was shot down by Russian Mig-23 or a Mig-27 with UNGUIDED BOMBS... the Pakistani's claim that the F-16 was shot down by it's own wingmen who freaked out after seeing the Migs... but does this mean that the F-16 is not a good plane?" The PAF F-16 was shot down with an AIM-9 fired by his flight leader. The PAF F-16s also tore apart the VVS/DRAAF units they faced on the border shooting down Su-25s, Su-22s, MiG-23MLDs and MiG-21s along with cargo planes and helicopters. ----- F-16s and MiG-29s have tangled in real life and the F-16 came out ahead. More F-16 users have an ARH BVR missile then do MiG-29 users. Thailand (facing R-27R armed Burmese MiG-29As) Israel (facing R-27R armed Syrian MiG-29As) Jordan (facing R-27R armed Syrian MiG-29As) Greece (closest MiG-29s are in Serbia) Portugal Norway Netherlands Belgium Denmark Turkey (facing R-27R armed Syrian MiG-29As) Singapore (facing R-27R and possible R-77E armed MiG-29Ns) South Korea (facing R-27R armed Northern Korean MiG-29s) Taiwan America UAE (facing R-27R armed Iranian MiG-29As) In fact only 3 F-16 users lack BVR and those are Indonesia, Venezuela and Pakistan as even Egypt has the AIM-7M on thier F-16C B-40s. The AIM-7M works in combat a lot better then the R-27R which is closer in effect to the AIM-7E-2. Only India, Peru and Malaysia are in theory fitted for the R-77E and only India has the missile active on thier planes. The F-16 has a better view out the cockpit, is far more user friendly, easier to support and keep in the air, has longer range, greater SA, and has a greater external payload. So pretty much every MiG-29 which could tangle with an F-16 would be out classed. And that is leaving out that only two MiG-29 users (Russia/Iran) has AWACs in operation while America (E-3), Greece (Eireye) Singapore (E-2C), Israel (Phalcon) and Taiwan (E-2C) have operational AWACs (the NATO nations would not enter without AWACs but those are not techically in thier service). Chile is getting thier F-16s and already has the Phalcon. The UAE, South Korea and Turkey are all getting AWACs. So lets be honest other then two theatres the F-16 totally outclasses the likely MiG-29 oppostion... and of course you would only want to talk about one of those areas.