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tarek · 12-29-2004, 14:53 PM

Plat

Yaara this is not PDF and there is no need to play the cheerleading section here - it's not just that it doesn't work, but it's entirely unnecessary - There are no evil Hindu hordes to be set right about what is really going on in Pakistan - I encourage you to trust the community of interactors here, just like you ,they are human and want to connect at that level, and they will if they are engaged in a honest manner.

All news and analysis about the kinds of threats and dangers Pakistan is facing, is presented primarily from Pakistani sources - PLease don't feel the need to defend Pakistan, it's armed forces are quite capable of looking after it. Honestly, this world is not full of enemies to defend from, rather it is full of friends to win, if we would only tell our story truthfully, we need to do that as much as for ourselves as for others.

I think every one will take your point about the Islamist to heart, but reality is that the state is aware of their threat and in instances, complicit with them (You will have noted the abadon of principle with regard to the religion column in the Passports - all anyone who wants to realize the role of the state in the promotion of radical Islam and in the denial of rights to muslims of minority sects, has to do is examine the passport application and the evil oath all must swear to) - please don't explain away things by suggesting that it's the same in other countries, IT IS NOT! - In Which other nuclear power are sectarian, religious lunes positioned such that God forbid the state itself may fall to them? In which other nuclear power, have Islmist members of the armed forces, duty bound, attempted to assasinate the CnC of the armed forces and President?? And in which other nuclear power are religious minorities, by ammendment to the constitution, excommunicated?? - Yaar, please don't get me started, especially as know that not a single of the points I can express can be countered unless we once again go into the islamist ideology for justification - in which case, there will not be any need for any more examples to expose.

Please, please, give us and yourself a break - we are not enmies of Pakistan or islam or whatever - things will neither get better nor will other people in the world understand the challenges we face, if we cease being critical and instead become clueless cheerleads of the policy of the day.

Shi'ah - Sunni sectarian strife 1200 years old - hogwash!! As we experience it today in Pakistan, it is a entirely modern creation, one in which the state itself is complicit - yes, it began with excommunicating a insignificant religious sect, now with Saudi funding, it is a war on all Shi'ah and their institutions - you say it's just like in other countries, really?? Catholics are machine gunning Protestants while they pray?? Does the fact that it happens in other countries suggest that it's really no big deal or no big problem??????

My congratulations to Mr. Kiani, we wish him well, he is no longer 14, whats the excuse of those since long have not been 14? - in anycase, gentle friend, how is this an example of moderisation? If one comes to the realization that the horse they have chosen to ride in a particular race is not a winner, and seek to switch horses, does that mean that they race in which they seek to participate has changed?? No, sir, simply switiching horses and not abandoning the race itself, suggest tha the lessons learnt were all the wrong one; the equivalent of the Islamist using modern technology to disseminate his ideology of hate and rejection of the present.

Plat, If you want understanding and praise for the good and hard work the Pakistani state under Musharraf is attempting to do - yes, we all understand it and we appreciate it - but just like the thinking amled has proposed in the "Good, bad, right, wrong" thread, under no circumstance is appreciation of doing the job it is one's duty to do, translate into "do not view us with a critical approach" - that's just not gonna happen, I can say with absolute assurance.

12-29-2004, 14:53 PM	#12 (permalink)
tarek *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 12-06-03 Posts: 996	Plat Yaara this is not PDF and there is no need to play the cheerleading section here - it's not just that it doesn't work, but it's entirely unnecessary - There are no evil Hindu hordes to be set right about what is really going on in Pakistan - I encourage you to trust the community of interactors here, just like you ,they are human and want to connect at that level, and they will if they are engaged in a honest manner. All news and analysis about the kinds of threats and dangers Pakistan is facing, is presented primarily from Pakistani sources - PLease don't feel the need to defend Pakistan, it's armed forces are quite capable of looking after it. Honestly, this world is not full of enemies to defend from, rather it is full of friends to win, if we would only tell our story truthfully, we need to do that as much as for ourselves as for others. I think every one will take your point about the Islamist to heart, but reality is that the state is aware of their threat and in instances, complicit with them (You will have noted the abadon of principle with regard to the religion column in the Passports - all anyone who wants to realize the role of the state in the promotion of radical Islam and in the denial of rights to muslims of minority sects, has to do is examine the passport application and the evil oath all must swear to) - please don't explain away things by suggesting that it's the same in other countries, IT IS NOT! - In Which other nuclear power are sectarian, religious lunes positioned such that God forbid the state itself may fall to them? In which other nuclear power, have Islmist members of the armed forces, duty bound, attempted to assasinate the CnC of the armed forces and President?? And in which other nuclear power are religious minorities, by ammendment to the constitution, excommunicated?? - Yaar, please don't get me started, especially as know that not a single of the points I can express can be countered unless we once again go into the islamist ideology for justification - in which case, there will not be any need for any more examples to expose. Please, please, give us and yourself a break - we are not enmies of Pakistan or islam or whatever - things will neither get better nor will other people in the world understand the challenges we face, if we cease being critical and instead become clueless cheerleads of the policy of the day. Shi'ah - Sunni sectarian strife 1200 years old - hogwash!! As we experience it today in Pakistan, it is a entirely modern creation, one in which the state itself is complicit - yes, it began with excommunicating a insignificant religious sect, now with Saudi funding, it is a war on all Shi'ah and their institutions - you say it's just like in other countries, really?? Catholics are machine gunning Protestants while they pray?? Does the fact that it happens in other countries suggest that it's really no big deal or no big problem?????? My congratulations to Mr. Kiani, we wish him well, he is no longer 14, whats the excuse of those since long have not been 14? - in anycase, gentle friend, how is this an example of moderisation? If one comes to the realization that the horse they have chosen to ride in a particular race is not a winner, and seek to switch horses, does that mean that they race in which they seek to participate has changed?? No, sir, simply switiching horses and not abandoning the race itself, suggest tha the lessons learnt were all the wrong one; the equivalent of the Islamist using modern technology to disseminate his ideology of hate and rejection of the present. Plat, If you want understanding and praise for the good and hard work the Pakistani state under Musharraf is attempting to do - yes, we all understand it and we appreciate it - but just like the thinking amled has proposed in the "Good, bad, right, wrong" thread, under no circumstance is appreciation of doing the job it is one's duty to do, translate into "do not view us with a critical approach" - that's just not gonna happen, I can say with absolute assurance. __________________ _____________________ when they make no laws but what they themselves and their posterity must be subject to; when they can give no money, but what they must pay their share of; when they can do no mischief, but what must fall upon their own heads in common with their countrymen; their principals may expect then good laws, little mischief, and much frugality