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Originally Posted by Gun Grape
They washed the cammie paint off their hands? I might buy that they took gloves off.
I don’t buy that the kid took the cover off his goggles. Glint kills.
Those soldiers are sure clean to have come off an op. Looks like a dog and pony show.
And that doesn’t blend in at all.
Bullcrap. Show me a 2000 meter kill. There have been 2 of them in the history of sniping. Snipers operate in the 500-1000 meter range at the far end.
At 500 meters that bad cammie will catch my eye. Especially if I’m scanning the area with binos.
You fight how you train. Every time we went to the field, we were cammied. If it was for a land navigation course or an actual FTX. Noise discipline, light discipline, cammie discipline all the time.
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Then they are wasting a valuable tool.
In ours, no weapons and there are a number of “pocket items” that you are allowed to have. Why would they not train to survive in their combat uniform? Do they plan on getting lost on Libo?
Here is an idea.Quit posting pictures that you have no clue about and doing a disservice to the forces of Turkey. Allow the people that have knowledge about such things make the arguments. UCar would be a good one.
I know that most of those pictures were staged or that the individuals were not in a training environment. So I decided to pick to see if you would admit it. But no these are the great Turkish Special Forces and there is "No shame in their game". Same with your pic of Maroon berets with "Delta Force". That may be many things, those guys are not Delta Force.
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I am not claiming that the Turkish Special Forces are the best in the world. I am simply proving that they are a potent force that gets the job done. Firstly, they don't use cammo pain on their hands. They use gloves.
Secondly, I showed you footage of the Maroon Berets in operation. But you chose to ignore it. Probably, because it refuted all your claims as to them being "holywood artists".
You can clearly see that they are in camo from head to toe.
Thridly, when do soldiers have gogles on when there superior officer is debriefing them? You can also see from the picture that there are teams in the background securing the area.
ALL THIS ASIDE DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT NATO'S SECOND LARGEST CONTINGENT IS THIRD-WORLD?
If the Turks were "holywood actors" why does the Israeli Commando's get their training in Turkey for?
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While the Israeli fighter plains have been conducting training flights in the Turkish airspace from the airbase in Konya, the Israeli commandos have been receiving snow training in Bolu mountains for some time. The military relations between the two countries are being supported by co-operation in the fields of defense industry and intelligence sharing against terrorism.
See Israel seeks an alliance with Turkey against Iran
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Israeli Army Chief Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz arrived in Turkey in a week. According to the Israeli officials the reason for the visit is to develop the dialogue and co-operation between Turkey and Israel. However the questions were similar to those of Americans. Iran, Syria and Iraq were the foremost priorities. The Israeli Army Chief further asked permission for training the Israeli commandos in Turkey’s Bolu and Hakkari mountains. Halutz said “our commandos cannot see snow, the whether in Israel is quite hot. If they can be trained in Turkey they would be ready for the winter conditions”. Turkey provides Israeli Air Force training opportunities in Konya Valley. The problem is why Israel wants to be ready for the mountain and winter circumstances? There is no cold neighboring country around Israel. The only places Israeli commandos could use their training are Turkey, Iran and Northern Iraq.
See JTW News - Targets are Iran and Syria
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The Turkish Weekly journal claimed further revelations. In a December 27 article it said Halutz had asked permission for training Israeli commandos in Turkey's Bolu and Hakkari mountains. The magazine speculated that the Israeli request had to do with preparations for operations in northwestern Iran's mountainous territory. See Asia Times Online :: Middle East News, Iraq, Iran current affairs
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US Green Berets have also trained at Bolu in the past
I'm not saying this. Page 233 of the book titled "NATO's Secret Armies" by Daniele Ganser is saying this.
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In the Mountain Commando School in Bolu US Special Forces including the Green Berets preparing for the war in Vietnam were trained together with the Counter-Guerrilla
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See for online version of this book.
NATO's Secret Armies - Google Book Search
By the way, the Turkish Special Forces training is either in conformity with or exceeds U.S. Army FM 31/16" (contra-guerrilla operations), "U.S. Army Special Warfare School" (contra-guerrilla tactics and techniques), "FM 31/20" (special forces operational techniques), "FM 31/21 Special Forces Operations" (ST urban assignments, 31/21 guerrilla warfare and special forces operations ), "FM 31/21 A. Special Forces Operations (U) standards.
It is amazing how hard and desperately you try to refute any factual information, which proves anything Turkish to be up to Western standards. I for one can draw alot of inferences from this alone. I have actually looked at alot of posts on this forum, and whenever someone trys to post something which belongs to any country in the Middle East or Mediteranian, the same people try desperately to either refute or reject the information provided. I have also seen that alot of people who post information about the Turkish Armed Forces have "banished" next to their profiles. Talk about "fair go". You are not the only individuals here that are educated in their respective fields. Some of you even go to the extreme of trying to question the validity of a thesis writen by a Post-graduate Turkish origined student at the US Navy War College. Despite the fact that such thesis is supervised by 4 American officiers who are experts on Turkish Defence. It is about time some of you also do a bit of self-critizing as well.
I have been on here for lest than 2 weeks and rather than feeling welcome I feel confronted.
I think the only neutral member of this forum is Ucar and Stan, and I thank them for their insight and opinion. They are not motivated by personal bias and also appreciate when something is done properly and good.