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Old 05-04-2008, 23:49 PM   #13 (permalink)
Gun Grape
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These soldiers have just returned from an operation....they are getting their debriefing. It is natural to have taken some things off during debriefs. There is no imminent threat.
They washed the cammie paint off their hands? I might buy that they took gloves off.
I don’t buy that the kid took the cover off his goggles. Glint kills.

Those soldiers are sure clean to have come off an op. Looks like a dog and pony show.

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You would appreciate the fact that: (1) Como is used to blend in with the environment surrounding you
And that doesn’t blend in at all.

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(2) Snipers do not fight in close combat. They engage from a distance of 2 to 5 km.
Bullcrap. Show me a 2000 meter kill. There have been 2 of them in the history of sniping. Snipers operate in the 500-1000 meter range at the far end.

At 500 meters that bad cammie will catch my eye. Especially if I’m scanning the area with binos.


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Again this is from a survival skills training workshop.
You fight how you train. Every time we went to the field, we were cammied. If it was for a land navigation course or an actual FTX. Noise discipline, light discipline, cammie discipline all the time.

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You would appreciate the fact that they wont use snipers during close combat environments.
Then they are wasting a valuable tool.


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Because it is a survival course, certain things will be taken away from the soldiers. They will then be dropped off by helicopter to a certain area from which they will have to arive at their given destination on time. No heavy weapons. Just a pistol and knife. No uniform. Standard civilian wear.
In ours, no weapons and there are a number of “pocket items” that you are allowed to have. Why would they not train to survive in their combat uniform? Do they plan on getting lost on Libo?

Here is an idea.Quit posting pictures that you have no clue about and doing a disservice to the forces of Turkey. Allow the people that have knowledge about such things make the arguments. UCar would be a good one.

I know that most of those pictures were staged or that the individuals were not in a training environment. So I decided to pick to see if you would admit it. But no these are the great Turkish Special Forces and there is "No shame in their game". Same with your pic of Maroon berets with "Delta Force". That may be many things, those guys are not Delta Force.
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