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Originally Posted by Gun Grape
I disagree with that. The sailors of today are made of the same cloth the as sailors that sailed 100 yrs ago.
Your using the same "Back when I went to boot camp...." and "They don't make them like they use to."
But when the chips are down Sailors from ships like the Cole and the Stark showed what kind of sailors the US Navy trains and saved their ships after catastrophic damage. What better example of seamanship skills?
And they got it wrong. They also judged Armies by their calvary units until the machine gun showed them different.
And the battleships contributed nothing to that effort. The CVEs and DDs won the Battle of the Atlantic. The CVs won the Battle of the Pacific
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Grape, What is being implied training wise is that there is one fraction of the human interaction into training as compared to computer simulation and the like in this age. It is in all cases not like it used to be. That takes absolutely zero of my own confidence away from todays sailors and I am proud of them including the cadets that will be the future some day as well as the sailors we have now. Perhaps its just the road the future takes much different from the past.
Im not claiming that they got it right but what I am stating is the way it was viewed back in Teddy Roosevelt's days. We cant change history nor what brought about the industrial age. It was heavy industry, science and engineering that brought it about beyond doubt.
Grape, I have stated zero to the effect that the battleships contributed anything to the war in the atlantic. In the Pacific though they sure as hell helped our boys take all those islands along with airwings,groundtroops and others. They also put on one hell of a show in some of the major battles.
The CVE (jeep carriers), DD's, DDE's, Sloops,Frigates and smaller craft as well as a plethora of different aircraft from various Allies ALL contributed to bringing the Uboat navy to heel and did so coming into the game late. But we also cant rule out Intelligence,Cypher breaking, Ship yards and associated industry. Being a merchant marine or Armed Gaurd was no different then being a Uboat sailor or any other as far as credit goes.
What was meant by my post was an answer to FOG post about being wasteful spending and I showed the wastefull spending of the Uboats.