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Originally Posted by Dreadnought
The Battleships circumnavigated the globe, Showed the flags of their respective countries, Invoked diplomacy,industry and trained thousands and thousands of would be sailors to become men. That tradition is much lost today. Yes they complain about the manning aspect but the tradition and training recieved onboard is irreplacable and cannot be found in today's modern navy nor those seamen ship skills ever found again without great diffaculty.
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I disagree with that. The sailors of today are made of the same cloth the as sailors that sailed 100 yrs ago.
Your using the same "Back when I went to boot camp...." and "They don't make them like they use to."
But when the chips are down Sailors from ships like the Cole and the Stark showed what kind of sailors the US Navy trains and saved their ships after catastrophic damage. What better example of seamanship skills?
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When one weighed a countries industrial standing in the world they almost always looked at that countries navy and capital ships such as the battleships never once at submarines nor aircraft, tanks or any of the like. It was always the battleships pure and simple. That fact is reiterated by all of the leading minds of the time. Engineering marvels.
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And they got it wrong. They also judged Armies by their calvary units until the machine gun showed them different.
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You state that WWII Atlantic was subs. What about all those subs that were hunted to extinction. I could very easily post the numbers of subs built/launched against those destroyed. The number alone will astound you.
Germany could in no way shape or form keep up with the shipping being produced in American yards for the majority of WWII and at the same time support a multi front war effort.
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And the battleships contributed nothing to that effort. The CVEs and DDs won the Battle of the Atlantic. The CVs won the Battle of the Pacific