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Originally Posted by citanon
Sir, there is a misconception about what the GPCR was.
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I was commenting on how the CCP needed a whip. They did not. They brainwashed the kids into doing their dirty work.
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Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot
Sir. Ive lived in a democratic country, but uve never been to China. In fact, after observation and study, one can find the political environment in China is far from mature enough to apply democracy. I used to also believe it can save China, but now I think this idea was too idealist.
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Then, you missed the point. Democracy is far from ideal. It is damned hard work. You have to work for it. You have to work to keep it. And at times, your work does absolutely nothing. But it is your work.
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Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot
So suppose there would be an election for our future president, what would likely happen? The rich ones will buy the peasants' vote by money. And it is very easy to buy a lot: the peasants are poor and in the need to pay their bills for daughters' education, their treatments in hospital and so on; thus the rich just need to spend not too much in their eyes and can get huge leverage.
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Same crap, different bowl. All politics are local. The rich guy in your example is just paying up front instead afterwards through job creation, welfare, managing the economy, etc.
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Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot
Nevertheless, when can China has a president democracy? In my view, when the society get much more equal and when every family comes to such a stage: on the curve of marginal utility of its income, the slope is negative or positive but not very sharp. At that time, their votes will not be affected easily and the rich will not have that amount of money to determine the results of the election.
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China already have a democracy. People vote either by ballot or by bullet. Thus far, the CCP have managed to avoid losing the vote by bullet but it's a lot safer to lose by ballot than by bullet.
This being said, while you look at Russia, you failed to see Eastern Europe who made the successful transition.
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Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot
Yep, my classmates maybe run away finally  the PLA wont. |
Yes, they would. Only an idiot would stay and fight when the strategic and tactical requirements make a case for withdraw. Besides, the PLA had retreated several times in their history. The 1962 Sino-Indo War, the Korean War, and the Sino-Soviet Clashes. Even the 1979 1st Sino-Vietnam War could make a strong case the PLA ran home.
And let's not forget the one action that defined the PLA, the Long March, was in fact, the biggest retreat in communist military history.
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Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot
For me, the question doesnt make sense. Lets generalize it: whether the parents will allow their children to die in a battlefield. There are two situations: one, as what you said, to teach someone a lesson; another, to protect their home and nation. The former, I even think it is very silly to start the war.
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Let me give you the basics. In February of 1979, the PLA launched a 200,000 man invasion of Vietnam in what Beijing described as a counter-attack by local forces to teach Vietnam a lesson. In 30 days of combat, the PLA burned 3 Provincial Capitals while suffering 30,000 casualties. They claimed to have inflicted 50,000 Vietnamese casualties. After the fall of Lang Soon, the last Vietnamese Provincial Capital, the PLA began retreat across back to their border. In 30 days, the Chinese lost 30,000 troops with nothing to show for it.
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Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot
For the latter, the best example is that Mao require his son to join the China-Korea and he died in the battlefield, as many other parents did in that war.
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Mao may have forced his son to join but that was no Volunteer Army. You don't assemble two entire volunteer field armies in 60 days.
Maybe you don't want to be here. I am going to shatter a lot of the myths you believe in. I've already wrecked the one about Tibet was China's since the time of the Yuan.