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Old 04-22-2008, 06:58 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Oh, first up a big thanks to OOE for stealing all my good points. Serves me right for not getting in earlier.


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Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot View Post
I didnt try to join the communist party and never will I, but I dont agree that CCP is as bad/ nasty/ imperious as many members said.
It sounds like your common sense is greater than your understanding of history.

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Although there are many problems with the current system under the rule of CCP, China could hardly find out a better way to change the conditions. So here are my questions:
One of the great tragedies of dictatorship is the way it creates such mishappen picture of the nation. Ruling parties want everyone to wrap themselves in the flag and yell 'we are the best' when it suits them, yet put great effort into convincing people that they are incapable of self-government.

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1. Do you think China doesnt need CCP's government any more? Or do you think CCP should improve itself and continue its regime? Or do you think the best way is to add one or more parties to come into power? What do you expect China's polity should be like?
I don't think China ever needed the CCP, and it doesn't need it now. Transitions from one form of government to another always contain dangers. Revolution is usually the worst idea, as proven by the CCP itself.

I would suggest the CCP publish a 10 year plan to take China from dictatorship to democracy. Some steps are already being taken - more open local elections and a more transparent legal system. I would immediately stop all government censorship of news. Free all political prisoners. Allow formation of political parties. Put forward a draft constitution enshrining basic civil & political rights. Move to free & open elections at provincial level within 5 years and on the national stage by 10.

Many comparisons are made with post-communist Russia, and they are all wrong. Russia attempted political & economic reform to address a failing economy & a failed political system. In China the economy is thriving and this gives government credibility. China's government functions quite well, Russia's was already falling apart before Gorbachev acted.


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2. There is another problem: whatever the world criticize CCP for, over 90% of the Chinese would support its regime when it comes to anything to do with nationalism just as what astralis said. So once anyone or any medium talks about Taiwan or Tibet issues, it is likely that overwhelming majority of the Chinese people will take the CCP's side.

How to solve this problem.
As others have pointed out, it is always easy for governments to get support on issues of nationalism. In fact, the CCP is relying on this to retain support. What a free press & the ability to vote for other parties will hopefully expose is just this - patriotism can be used for political purposes. Political parties that do it are usually trying to distract people from something they are doing wrong (or they just have no worthwhile ideas).

In a free China people might also ask why their government is supporting a collection of the most evil regimes in the world - North Korea, Myanmar, Sudan & Zimbabwe especially.

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3. CCP have done some achievements and some wrong decisions as well. Could you tell me what you know about (and please evaluate,too) what CCP did during the the past 49 years?

For instance, whether Deng Xiaoping's "capitalist road" is a right choice for China at that moment and in the long run?
Again, a fascinating take on history. As best I can tell the CCP has only made two 'great achievements':

1) It holds the record as the most deadly political organization in human history. The exact figures are hard to determine, but when you add up the pre-revolution purges, early post-revolution purges, Korean War, Tibet, the Great Leap Forward/Famine of 'hungry ghosts' and GPCR & subsequent killings the figure for premature deaths is in the tens of millions. It could easily be as high as 70 million, no one really knows.

2) In the past 30 years the CCP has finally begun to meet the minimum standards for a civilized society by allowing (and occasionally even assisting) a good proportion its people live like human beings rather than animals or state property.

Much is made by defenders of the CCP of the achievements of the past 30 years. Deng's 'capitalist road' was not some brilliant CCP idea, it was the only way to keep the nation functional after 30 years of the worst mismanagement imaginable. As far as I am concerned this is just a tiny repayment of the debt owed to the Chinese people for what it has done to them over the preceding generations.

How much sooner could this prosperity have been achieved if the CCP had not:
*put such huge resources into killing, imprisoning & spying on its own people?
*killed off, imprisoned or driven away some of the best & brightest Chinese?
*spent vast amounts of money on supporting some of the most evil dictatorships of this or any era (google
'khmer Rouge' 'North Korea' or 'SLORC' if you want some examples)?
*spent vast amounts of money on wars in Korea & Vietnam?
*spent 30 years imposing economic policies that seem specifically designed to wreck China's economy?

What the CCP offers China now is actually less than the minimum any citizen of any Western nation nation would demand of their government. This is not a necessity, it is a choice.
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