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dave angel · 04-14-2008, 16:33 PM

the argument that the US had no interest whatsoever in the Iraqi oil reserves only holds water if you genuinely believe that the top 10 decision makers in the US were unaware that Iraq sits on the 4th(?) largest oil reserves in the world, and that a democratic (ish), US-friendly, stable and capitalist - remember that the official US Phase IV was a single word plan: optimism - would be likely to pump more onto the world market (and therefore make it cheaper) than one S. Hussein inc.

much as it offends me to say so, those 10 people are not quite that stupid.

as for **** - The War Against Terror... - the three 'pro' arguments i've heard so far don't hold much water in the current circumstances (thats not to say they were really dumb ideas, just that they didn't turn out well)

a) create a beacon of liberal(ish), capitalist democracy(ish) that frees the 'arab street' from the kleptocratic, xenophobic, autocratic and corrupt dictatorships that have poisoned the Arab/Muslim mind against the west by attemptng to divert attention from their own failings - in short to create a state that Arabs/Muslims from accross the M/E would seek to emulate and in doing so provide a crippling blow to Islamic fundamentalism in particular and 'anti-westernism' in general.

not going that well at the moment, anyone you know looking to move to Baghdad?

b) remove a failing state from the board, ensure that it cannot become a springboard for AQ in the way A'stan became through strong national institutions.

errr.... moving on....

c) forget the first two, allow Iraq to become a charnel house, use it as bait to bring in as many nasties as possible so we can kill them - the 'fight them in Iraq so you don't have to fight them here' plan.

only works if you can kill them at a faster rate than you create them - and only as long as they stick to your plan. if you create them, but they stay at home, then the plan was *******s. the plan, as it affected the UK, was definitely *******s: the number of British Muslim terrorists created by Iraq? lots (two to four thousand according to the former head of the Security Service), the number of British Muslim terrorists who followed the plan and went to Iraq to get swatted? not many - maybe 10. of course, lots - perhaps 200 or so - have been to Iraq and learnt all there is to Know about explosive ambushes, car bombs, suicide bombings, and cutting peoples heads off on TV.

so that plan worked well....

any others?

04-14-2008, 16:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
dave angel *Military Professional* Join Date: 11-05-04 Location: Glasgow Posts: 758 Country:	the argument that the US had no interest whatsoever in the Iraqi oil reserves only holds water if you genuinely believe that the top 10 decision makers in the US were unaware that Iraq sits on the 4th(?) largest oil reserves in the world, and that a democratic (ish), US-friendly, stable and capitalist - remember that the official US Phase IV was a single word plan: optimism - would be likely to pump more onto the world market (and therefore make it cheaper) than one S. Hussein inc. much as it offends me to say so, those 10 people are not quite that stupid. as for ** - The War Against Terror... - the three 'pro' arguments i've heard so far don't hold much water in the current circumstances (thats not to say they were really dumb ideas, just that they didn't turn out well) a) create a beacon of liberal(ish), capitalist democracy(ish) that frees the 'arab street' from the kleptocratic, xenophobic, autocratic and corrupt dictatorships that have poisoned the Arab/Muslim mind against the west by attemptng to divert attention from their own failings - in short to create a state that Arabs/Muslims from accross the M/E would seek to emulate and in doing so provide a crippling blow to Islamic fundamentalism in particular and 'anti-westernism' in general. not going that well at the moment, anyone you know looking to move to Baghdad? b) remove a failing state from the board, ensure that it cannot become a springboard for AQ in the way A'stan became through strong national institutions. errr.... moving on.... c) forget the first two, allow Iraq to become a charnel house, use it as bait to bring in as many nasties as possible so we can kill them - the 'fight them in Iraq so you don't have to fight them here' plan. only works if you can kill them at a faster rate than you create them - and only as long as they stick to your plan. if you create them, but they stay at home, then the plan was ***s. the plan, as it affected the UK, was definitely *****s: the number of British Muslim terrorists created by Iraq? lots (two to four thousand according to the former head of the Security Service), the number of British Muslim terrorists who followed the plan and went to Iraq to get swatted? not many - maybe 10. of course, lots - perhaps 200 or so - have been to Iraq and learnt all there is to Know about explosive ambushes, car bombs, suicide bombings, and cutting peoples heads off on TV. so that plan worked well.... any others? __________________ before criticizing someone, walk a mile in their shoes.................... then when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.