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S-2 · 04-06-2008, 07:21 AM

"Oh please S-2

... BANG!!

"One thing that I could never understand or even contemplate, was those stories I had heard of or read about American’s soldiers FRAGGING their own officers in the field!
Wow I just think I know how and why they could do it."

So I'm worth fragging for my argument with you? Interesting retort but I'll not worry about it among American troops-

"I have sat around a many a positions or fighting pit having chats with Americans –talking unbiased about each of our good and bad points – both in a professional manner (training and debriefs) or just bloke to bloke."

Share your list with them, did you? Somehow I sense that it's there that my defense lies.

No. You've had ample opportunity to address my comments about the operational and tactical acumen of American marine and army infantry. They're very recent and relevant combat record speaks volumes for the errors of your mis-perceptions.

It's not wrapping myself in an American flag, Pioneer. It's stating a bald, professional fact. Since December, 1988 in Panama until now, the combat experiences of the American infantrymen have been acquired and absorbed by large numbers of professional infantry officers and N.C.O.s that dwarf your cumulative Australian experience over the same period.

There's simply no comparison. Have you dropped an airborne BRIGADE at night into battle anytime recently? Air-assaulted a brigade of infantry 100kms in five hours? Fought in Najef, Fallujah, Ramadi, Mosul in some of the most intense MOUT operations conducted since Hue? How about hump the MOUNTAINS of eastern Afghanistan against the best that A.Q. and the Taliban can offer?

Conducted any mechanized operations lately besides driving from the motor pool to the training complex? We have. Employed corps of troops to do so. Twice.

In effect, Pioneer, you've slapped sh!t on the wall and are trolling without any qualitative substantiation of your provocative stances.

No. You're really way off base, avoiding the critical issues, and by alluding to my fragging at the hands of American troops, going well beyond the bounds.

Are you calling for mods?

Please do.

04-06-2008, 07:21 AM	#23 (permalink)
S-2 *Military Professional* Join Date: 09-11-06 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 2,110 Country:	Pioneer Reply "Oh please S-2 ... BANG!! "One thing that I could never understand or even contemplate, was those stories I had heard of or read about American’s soldiers FRAGGING their own officers in the field! Wow I just think I know how and why they could do it." So I'm worth fragging for my argument with you? Interesting retort but I'll not worry about it among American troops- "I have sat around a many a positions or fighting pit having chats with Americans –talking unbiased about each of our good and bad points – both in a professional manner (training and debriefs) or just bloke to bloke." Share your list with them, did you? Somehow I sense that it's there that my defense lies. No. You've had ample opportunity to address my comments about the operational and tactical acumen of American marine and army infantry. They're very recent and relevant combat record speaks volumes for the errors of your mis-perceptions. It's not wrapping myself in an American flag, Pioneer. It's stating a bald, professional fact. Since December, 1988 in Panama until now, the combat experiences of the American infantrymen have been acquired and absorbed by large numbers of professional infantry officers and N.C.O.s that dwarf your cumulative Australian experience over the same period. There's simply no comparison. Have you dropped an airborne BRIGADE at night into battle anytime recently? Air-assaulted a brigade of infantry 100kms in five hours? Fought in Najef, Fallujah, Ramadi, Mosul in some of the most intense MOUT operations conducted since Hue? How about hump the MOUNTAINS of eastern Afghanistan against the best that A.Q. and the Taliban can offer? Conducted any mechanized operations lately besides driving from the motor pool to the training complex? We have. Employed corps of troops to do so. Twice. In effect, Pioneer, you've slapped sh!t on the wall and are trolling without any qualitative substantiation of your provocative stances. No. You're really way off base, avoiding the critical issues, and by alluding to my fragging at the hands of American troops, going well beyond the bounds. Are you calling for mods? Please do. __________________ "This aggression will not stand, man!" Jeff Lebowski Last edited by S-2 : 04-06-2008 at 07:28 AM.