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Speculating... having a little fun with a further what if
A non-Qing conquest of Southern China - say a southern Ming or a Wu state or what ever - gives the bizarre parallel during the Zunghar conflict, of Manchus ruling northern China, Han ruling the south and Mongols (Zunghars) outside coming southish. Factor in Russia to the equation playing off everyone. So bizarre alliances, arms deals to destabilize, raids and all types of fun.
I have read some sources which put a sort of tension during the Zunghar conflicts as the Manchus (Jurchens) remembered the fate of the Jin.
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