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Pioneer · 04-01-2008, 04:17 AM

I base my conclusion that the best Infantry units in the world are made up of........

- My personal experience as an infantryman/Assault Pioneer for the past 19-years
(to the present) and having the privilege of operating with some good and bad
infantrymen, from other countries over those years

- Almost every volunteer soldier is better than a conscript soldier!
(For he has chosen and wants to be there in the first place)

- Fire-power is not always a substitute for brains and initiative!
(Vietnam (French Indo war and US war), Afghanistan (Soviet invasion)
Afghanistan (US Coalition invasion)

- Operational experiences!
(In most cases, this experience, hones the individual soldier and units
skills, their training and equipment development to a given warfighting
capability)

- Most dictatorship ran Armies capability is usually more a product of
propaganda, than actual combat efficiency and capability!
(Libyan invasion of Chad, Cuban involvement in Angola, Chinese (PRC)
boarder clashes with Vietnam,

- Many dictatorship run country's media and freedom of speech, do not give
a true insight into their military's capacity!
(North Korea, Iran)

- Many dictatorship or military ran country's are usually lavish with excellent
and modern equipment, weapons and platforms, but are usually unable to
use them to their full capability!
(Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE…………)

- Many dictatorship ran country's so-called elite units, are more often than not
judged on loyalty or their religious grounds
(Iranian Republic Guards, Iraqi Republican Guards, Libya…………..)

- Many country's infantry units are based on 'past' historical accomplishments,
this may not reflect their real world / modern capability to fight as modern and efficient
infantry!
(Vietnam, China, Poland, Hungry,

- Many country's infantry units are or have been based on shear man-power size (human-
waves)
(China (PRC), North Korea…………)

- Almost all dictatorship ran countries military forces are mistrusted by the
dictatorship / leadership, which can result in purges. This deters the
military to use its initiative or freedom of operation.
(Iraq, Iran, Russia (pre and start and during WWII)

- Many post-WWII established countries and their military have not fought or been
involved in modern operations or war – so their metal has not been tested.
(Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Taiwan, Africa

- Many dictatorship ran countries military forces concentrate their efforts on countering
political / militia, internal security organization rivalries.
(most of Africa, Pakistan, most of Middle East, China (PRC), North Korea,
Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia, Iran, Syria, Libya, Russia…………..)

- Many dictatorship ran countries concentrate much of its military energy and focus on
internal security to secure the dictatorships rule or civil war
(More than half the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

- Some countries have a legitimate reason to have a strong, well trained and equipped
military (infantry units), due to many open and covert threats of invasion and
subversion, which puts their country at risk
(Israel – who has been openly threatened or attacked by Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq,
Iran, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Kuwait, Malaysia, Indonesia and just about every other
Arab or Muslim country on earth.
Taiwan – who for the past 50+-years has lived under the threat of PRC invasion
South Korea – who has lived under the umbrella of military hostility from North
Korea / PRC for 50+-years…………………………………………..)
Sweden, Finland – who has lived in the middle of two opposing giants – the Warsaw
Pact and NATO, knowing that their countries hold a great strategic importance to
either side in time of peace and war!

Excellent Infantry

British, British-Gurkha, Australia, South Africa, Israel, India, Canada, New Zealand
(I have chosen these countries due to the fact that they train their infantry along the British Army lines of encouraging initiative across all ranks, and cross training of all their soldiers in multiple weapons and communications efficiency.
German
Jordan
(Predominantly because their military is based on the British army system of training!)

Good Infantry

China (both Taiwan and PRC)
South Korea
US Marine Corp
(The USMC is far better infantryman than their US Army counterparts - mainly due to the fact that they are trained to fight as an independent unit, and are trained to use their initiative more
Finnish, Swedish, Swiss
(These countries infantry are predominantly trained and equipped to fight on their own terms, on their own ground in defence of their neutrality)

‘More to follow over’

Regards
Pioneer

04-01-2008, 04:17 AM	#260 (permalink)
Pioneer Regular Join Date: 03-29-08 Posts: 46	I base my conclusion that the best Infantry units in the world are made up of........ - My personal experience as an infantryman/Assault Pioneer for the past 19-years (to the present) and having the privilege of operating with some good and bad infantrymen, from other countries over those years - Almost every volunteer soldier is better than a conscript soldier! (For he has chosen and wants to be there in the first place) - Fire-power is not always a substitute for brains and initiative! (Vietnam (French Indo war and US war), Afghanistan (Soviet invasion) Afghanistan (US Coalition invasion) - Operational experiences! (In most cases, this experience, hones the individual soldier and units skills, their training and equipment development to a given warfighting capability) - Most dictatorship ran Armies capability is usually more a product of propaganda, than actual combat efficiency and capability! (Libyan invasion of Chad, Cuban involvement in Angola, Chinese (PRC) boarder clashes with Vietnam, - Many dictatorship run country's media and freedom of speech, do not give a true insight into their military's capacity! (North Korea, Iran) - Many dictatorship or military ran country's are usually lavish with excellent and modern equipment, weapons and platforms, but are usually unable to use them to their full capability! (Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE…………) - Many dictatorship ran country's so-called elite units, are more often than not judged on loyalty or their religious grounds (Iranian Republic Guards, Iraqi Republican Guards, Libya…………..) - Many country's infantry units are based on 'past' historical accomplishments, this may not reflect their real world / modern capability to fight as modern and efficient infantry! (Vietnam, China, Poland, Hungry, - Many country's infantry units are or have been based on shear man-power size (human- waves) (China (PRC), North Korea…………) - Almost all dictatorship ran countries military forces are mistrusted by the dictatorship / leadership, which can result in purges. This deters the military to use its initiative or freedom of operation. (Iraq, Iran, Russia (pre and start and during WWII) - Many post-WWII established countries and their military have not fought or been involved in modern operations or war – so their metal has not been tested. (Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Taiwan, Africa - Many dictatorship ran countries military forces concentrate their efforts on countering political / militia, internal security organization rivalries. (most of Africa, Pakistan, most of Middle East, China (PRC), North Korea, Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia, Iran, Syria, Libya, Russia…………..) - Many dictatorship ran countries concentrate much of its military energy and focus on internal security to secure the dictatorships rule or civil war (More than half the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) - Some countries have a legitimate reason to have a strong, well trained and equipped military (infantry units), due to many open and covert threats of invasion and subversion, which puts their country at risk (Israel – who has been openly threatened or attacked by Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Kuwait, Malaysia, Indonesia and just about every other Arab or Muslim country on earth. Taiwan – who for the past 50+-years has lived under the threat of PRC invasion South Korea – who has lived under the umbrella of military hostility from North Korea / PRC for 50+-years…………………………………………..) Sweden, Finland – who has lived in the middle of two opposing giants – the Warsaw Pact and NATO, knowing that their countries hold a great strategic importance to either side in time of peace and war! Excellent Infantry British, British-Gurkha, Australia, South Africa, Israel, India, Canada, New Zealand (I have chosen these countries due to the fact that they train their infantry along the British Army lines of encouraging initiative across all ranks, and cross training of all their soldiers in multiple weapons and communications efficiency. German Jordan (Predominantly because their military is based on the British army system of training!) Good Infantry China (both Taiwan and PRC) South Korea US Marine Corp (The USMC is far better infantryman than their US Army counterparts - mainly due to the fact that they are trained to fight as an independent unit, and are trained to use their initiative more Finnish, Swedish, Swiss (These countries infantry are predominantly trained and equipped to fight on their own terms, on their own ground in defence of their neutrality) ‘More to follow over’ Regards Pioneer