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Elbmek · 03-29-2008, 23:27 PM

If you remove the nuclear threat from both sides and play the game with conventional forces, NATO would have won it hands down. The old premise that the USSR would have walked it due to numbers is completely false.

My last job in Germany before leaving for Northern Ireland was looking after a Brigade War Room, preparing all the maps, notes, orders etc for all units, including 1 RTR in Hildesheim (Chieftain) with their specific orders for any border incursion.

I could see "numbers" over the border, dispositions, locations etc etc. It was all a con!! Those tanks on the opposite side of the wall were, in the main, fake. Cardboard tube wrapped around old guns to make them appear to be "newer models" and most of the Soviet tanks were broken, swimming in diesel or, as stated, fake.

They obviously had some armament looking our way, but nothing along the lines spread by the propaganda merchants at NATO in Brussels, trying to justify jobs for the boys.

Most of the "modern" equipment the Soviet Union had was kept way back on home turf. What they did have going for them was air power and sea but on land, all a con.

Stalin, and successive leaders, never had any intention of invading westwards, it would have been too much trouble. Stalin said at Yalta, that he would satellite surrounding countries to form an armoured buffer zone around Russia to stop any further invasions! Not to push further out! The Red Army was defensive. The whole cold war was a giant con trick.

As for firepower. I understand the Chieftain, with our laser sights, could outfire the latest T by a ratio of 12-1. I believe the Challenger ratio is slightly higher.

03-29-2008, 23:27 PM	#145 (permalink)
Elbmek *Military Professional* Join Date: 12-31-06 Location: Sutton Coldfield Posts: 416 Country:	If you remove the nuclear threat from both sides and play the game with conventional forces, NATO would have won it hands down. The old premise that the USSR would have walked it due to numbers is completely false. My last job in Germany before leaving for Northern Ireland was looking after a Brigade War Room, preparing all the maps, notes, orders etc for all units, including 1 RTR in Hildesheim (Chieftain) with their specific orders for any border incursion. I could see "numbers" over the border, dispositions, locations etc etc. It was all a con!! Those tanks on the opposite side of the wall were, in the main, fake. Cardboard tube wrapped around old guns to make them appear to be "newer models" and most of the Soviet tanks were broken, swimming in diesel or, as stated, fake. They obviously had some armament looking our way, but nothing along the lines spread by the propaganda merchants at NATO in Brussels, trying to justify jobs for the boys. Most of the "modern" equipment the Soviet Union had was kept way back on home turf. What they did have going for them was air power and sea but on land, all a con. Stalin, and successive leaders, never had any intention of invading westwards, it would have been too much trouble. Stalin said at Yalta, that he would satellite surrounding countries to form an armoured buffer zone around Russia to stop any further invasions! Not to push further out! The Red Army was defensive. The whole cold war was a giant con trick. As for firepower. I understand the Chieftain, with our laser sights, could outfire the latest T by a ratio of 12-1. I believe the Challenger ratio is slightly higher. __________________ Never lie, then you have nothing to try and remember. Last edited by Elbmek : 03-29-2008 at 23:34 PM.