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Weariness, high expectations, whatever, doesn't excuse abject rudeness. But to each his own I guess.
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So, there's no excuse for rudeness. Sounds god to me. I assume you will take the same attitude to your good friend Blues next time he is rude to someone.
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You've taken the position that it is perfectly acceptable to gouge men a little because they've gouged others a lot. I asked then if you thought two wrongs could make a right, and while you may have been wearied by that question you certainly weren't engaged by it. Your reply implying a little bad is sometimes necessary for a greater good assumes that the little bad is, in fact, necessary.
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One of the reasons I refused to engage the question was that it seemed to reflect a misunderstanding of my position. I was right. I think that it is impossible to make dramatic, society-transforming changes without someone feeling hurt by it. There will always be people who benefitted from existing arrangements. Others are simply comfortable with them. We can & should attempt to minimize their discomfort, but that may simply be unavoidable.
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Instead of playground insult games (which I love in other contexts, by the way), I'll simply point out that your assumption is false and your little "question for an answer" not at all clever.
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Your original question didn't deserve a response as it was Dale.
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Granting that men as a generic group have held power in Western society for thousands of years, and have used that power variously to inflict what today are perceived as injustices upon women (for instance), that reality can be adjusted without "unjust" repercussion. When such things are not done that way in other walks of life it is usually taken to be low behavior, if not strictly illegal.
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Correct. Of course, different people may argue over what is 'unjust', but the principle is precisely what I advocate. Taking this example there are & were men who enjoyed being in that position of power. If it is the loss of that power that causes them hurt, is that an acceptable price to pay for undoing what I think we can agree is a greater injustice to women?
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In short, much like the economic pie can be grown for all without shrinking pieces for some, injustices toward women can be corrected without installing fresh injustices for men, and therefore should be. That is a little different from your "we had to bomb the restaurant to try and get Saddam" answer.
-dale
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Again this is a debate over definition, not principle. What qualifies as an 'injustice' to men in this context? I was talking about bruised egos, not killing innocent civilians.
There is a subtext in your posts that I am somehow looking to punish men or seek reveng for past injustice. If you think this, you are wrong.