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Originally Posted by Adux
Ag.Muslim,
Thank you for accepting, the countries of middle east are more than repressive on basic human rights and even more so when it comes to minorites.
Lets for a minute in place of 'Islamic' State put 'White', what will that give you. APARTHEID- RACISIM. Do that in the name of Islam/religion, then it is all OK, and HUMAN PARADISE.
An Islamic state, will not be Islamic without the application Sharia, and people of minorities will have to be subservient to the wishes and sensbilities of muslims,(same thing pakistan said before its creation, where both of our countries are now is a history and fact)
Oh it does, when it is repressive methodology which is not acceptable or are inhuman to a section of human beings, Nazi ideology, communism, islamism, white supermacy etc all come in the same line.
Somehow my dear sir,
that is the majority of Islamic government except for Turkey
You as an individual maybe, I dont know. But that is not the case of your country or any other islamic state. If you know how a 'Islamic state' can keep the its islamic values as well as be fair to be all the citizens, then please do tell me. I am willing to listen, such a concept will be new to me and all the world.
Again its not about you as an individual, my best friend is a muslim. That doesnt change what a muslim society does to its minorities or views people of other faith,. I have posted the response from a muslim woman of sudanese origin in Havard on an Issue that happened over there, so that people like you can understand what your own people are going through, minorities are worse off. The sheer desperation faced by christains and jews of Iraq who are one of the most ancient people, is sad beyond words. If there was something I respected Saddam Hussien, it was that. But then again he was another toon.
Sorry,
That doesnt cut it with me, nothing less than equality is acceptable to all human beings.
Well, then it is not a good state, especially from the perspective of the minorities. You are basically telling the minorities to just suck it up and move on. NO GO,
Its not just about Prime Minister or President, there are so many other places they are restricted especially in a religiously intolerent state such as Pakistan. I will be suprised if they were get a job, in such a highly prejudiced enviornment. The reason they have come down from 12.75% in the 1960's to 3% now.
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That a Muslim State can progress and evolve is now the issue, since you seem to have given up on proving that there is "wide spread intolerance and dislike for interfaith dialog in the Muslim world", any more than in other religions.
Going back to Pakistan, as imperfect a State as it is - bar the PM and President, minorities can be elected to any office they like, so far as I know. A Hindu was the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court after the dismissal of the CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry. We have Hindu and, until his recent conversion to Islam, Christian sports stars. The PPP has declared its intent to remove any discriminatory laws against minorities, such as the Hudood laws (which did not exist in the Pakistani constitution until a few decades ago until inserted by a
dictator).
So yes, I feel extremely happy about the future of Pakistan as a moderate Islamic State, where for all intents and purposes, minorities will have all the rights that Muslims do. They will be denied the two highest offices in the land, something I would like to see rectified as we mature as a democracy, but I am not going to get hung up over something that has almost no bearing on the lives of the minorities in Pakistan.
If there is a "White State", that then says that all laws and rights apply equally to every one regardless of color, I would not think of it as an "Apartheid State" - even if restricted the two highest offices of the land to the majority Whites. Like I indicated before, I would prefer that not be the case, but since it would have little practical effect on the lives of the non-Whites, I would not be particularly perturbed by it.
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And yes, I am not convinced about your honesty and your intentions. Yes , Takiyah and all. Thats my belief, you can have yours
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The feeling is mutual.