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Originally Posted by Bel
-In my experience, Male violence results in statistics (disparity in strength). Female violence are nearly always un-reported. (how do you report emotional scaring and small bruises) How certain are politicians really that the bulk of family abuse is male generated?
Age of man-shame
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In my experience male violence results in emotional scars every bit as deep as female violence, and physical scars that can last a lifetime. Do men stay in abusive relationships because they fear being murdered if they attempt to leave? I betting not so much.
It remains the case in Australia (and perhaps elsewhere) that in some jurisdictions men can use the defence of 'provocation' in cases of violent assault. This provocation can be something like a partner using harsh language, threatening to leave, or, god forbid, actually doing so. There are numerous cases of men who have murdered their spouses getting reduced sentences as a result. You see, we men have such low self contgrol that when someone challenges us we just can't help but beat them to death. Right?
Thankfully, as a result of lengthy campaigning, this defence is gradually being disallowed.
The only shame here is men still trying to dodge the issue of abuse.
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-Some few males are pedofiles.(sp?) All males are considered suspect around young females, including fathers just hugging there daughters
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First, I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of reported cases of paedophilia involve a male perpetrator. A femo plot no doubt.
Second, suspicion of men with children is sad, but SFA to do with 'man-shame' (whatever TF that is). Everything to do with a society where parents are obsessed to the point of paranoia with the thought that the moment their child is out of view some terrible fate will befal them. Look at the rise in parents insisting on driving their kids to school. Look at the 'helicopter parent' hovering over their poor little child. Look at the dramatic rise in law suits directed at Obstetricians. Look at the obsession with everything the poor damned child sees, reads, eats & does.
Still, just easier to blame the feminists.
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-Disgruntled/jilted Ex-wife claims ex-husband is a kiddie fiddler. Instant guilt results in banning from child visitation rights untill the husband proves himself innocent.
Age of man shame.
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Ah yes, the favourite horror story of the men's movement. Does it happen? Yes, and its a disgrace. Is it commonplace? Never seen a reliable stat that says so. No doubt the feminists are concealing them.
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-Courts do still favour woman in custody battles.
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Question for the class: which gender still does the overwhelming amount of child-rearing?
Another question: If you were going to award custody of children to one of two people would it be a) the person who has done the majority of child rearing, of b) the person who has done much less of the child rearing?
As a society (talking West here) we still allot the role of 'child-rearer' to wome, as we have for millenia. The balance has certainly shifted, but consider this: every time a debate is raise about the difficulty of balancing work & child-raising the subject of the debate is women. It is not how do MEN juggle their jobs & child rearing, it is how do WOMEN do it.
To then turn around and throw a trntrum about women getting more custody would actually be funny if it wasn't such a recurrent whine from some men.
Oh, FYI, In Australia men get custody in 40% of cases where it is contested. That would seem to me to be more than fair under the circumstances.
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-Domestic purposes benefit undercuts Males biological need to provide, government welfare replaces the need for men beyond sperm providing.
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I think all these undermine a Fathers role in a family which I believe will result in a community filled with ever more disfunctional children. Its all about playing the odds and having both a father and mother in the same home is the ideal enviroment for children to be raised in.
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Very good.
And what precisely is a father's role? To rule his household as if it were his private kingdom? To expect his wife to obey him & bend to his will? To punish her if she doesn't? To keep his wife in a state of financial dependence? To assume that the female half of the species will remain an unpaid workforce designed to make his life easier?
These were the domestic issues that feminism attacked & changed. Don't see what makes people so damned nostalgic.
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In New Zealand, 50% of primary school children now no longer have there fathers living at home with them.
Age of man shame. (For this one we have a damn good reason to be ashamed IMHO)
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Well, you have two choices here.
1) Force people to live in unhappy marriages 'for the sake of the children' (seen it close up a few times - faggedabadit) OR
2) make both parents accept that their emotional & financial responsibilities to their children don't end with the marriage. This means that fathers who don't get custody still have to pay for the kids upbringing & it means that mothers who do have to respect the importance of the father.
If men want to be ashamed about anything it is that too many of them (though thankfully less & less) are still sulking about the fact that they have to share some fraction of their once untrammelled social power with women. Personally I LIKE living in a world where women consider themselves my equal & the law agrees. If this means that I have to work a bit harder to define my role in the world than my father or grandfather did then so be it.