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Adux · 03-28-2008, 08:53 AM

Bigfella,

I see no role for politics in religion and vice versa. I have no problems with spiritual Islam but with political & socio-economic islam. You have to understand that is very different and has a larger impact than religious bodies of any religion.

And one more thing, the Islamic world has many internal problems far pre-dating western created one's, which still continue's. No other religion today plays as much Islam does in politics. Sudan etc. So dont expect your level of enlightment in them.

About being second-class citizen's please pick up the consitution of Pakistan or the laws of Saudi Arabia for reference. Iraq and Iran for example had a very thriving jewish and christains. Pakistan and Afghanistan had Hindu's, Sikhs and christains who are now being systematically wiped out. I understand your quest for digging our skeltons out, but as an Indian, let me tell you one thing. The west and its people (NOW) are far more civilized, modern, moderate and understanding than other people of the world.

A western countries of today, wont even contemplate genocide as a method for national objectivies, you have third world countries like pakistan doing that just 3 decades ago.

You have to understand the concepts of zakat, khilafa etc etc, An Islamic country except Turkey is hard on its minorities. Yes, it is racisim, it is no different than castism practiced by the Hindu's of yestyears.

And You are not understanding the complete lack of education and his utter devotion to very word in the quran(open to the interpretation of a self-serving imam) in an ordinary muslim to the highly advanced nordic's etc, The evolution of other religion and their adoption of Human values and rights is still unseen in the Muslim world. Who are not even open to change or even self-introspection.

So, in the defence of the West. You are not that bad.

03-28-2008, 08:53 AM	#138 (permalink)
Adux Banished Join Date: 07-29-05 Location: Cochin Posts: 2,931 Country:	Bigfella, I see no role for politics in religion and vice versa. I have no problems with spiritual Islam but with political & socio-economic islam. You have to understand that is very different and has a larger impact than religious bodies of any religion. And one more thing, the Islamic world has many internal problems far pre-dating western created one's, which still continue's. No other religion today plays as much Islam does in politics. Sudan etc. So dont expect your level of enlightment in them. About being second-class citizen's please pick up the consitution of Pakistan or the laws of Saudi Arabia for reference. Iraq and Iran for example had a very thriving jewish and christains. Pakistan and Afghanistan had Hindu's, Sikhs and christains who are now being systematically wiped out. I understand your quest for digging our skeltons out, but as an Indian, let me tell you one thing. The west and its people (NOW) are far more civilized, modern, moderate and understanding than other people of the world. A western countries of today, wont even contemplate genocide as a method for national objectivies, you have third world countries like pakistan doing that just 3 decades ago. You have to understand the concepts of zakat, khilafa etc etc, An Islamic country except Turkey is hard on its minorities. Yes, it is racisim, it is no different than castism practiced by the Hindu's of yestyears. And You are not understanding the complete lack of education and his utter devotion to very word in the quran(open to the interpretation of a self-serving imam) in an ordinary muslim to the highly advanced nordic's etc, The evolution of other religion and their adoption of Human values and rights is still unseen in the Muslim world. Who are not even open to change or even self-introspection. So, in the defence of the West. You are not that bad. Last edited by Adux : 03-28-2008 at 09:07 AM.