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Originally Posted by Agnostic Muslim
Add to your "widespread extremism and intolerance", stereotypes and xenophobia, applicable in the case of certain individuals expressing above mentioned opinions.
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Oh dear,
Calling me Xenophobic pointing out the obivious, From the Mopla Movement; muslims have killed for the sake of some unidentified ummah.
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That you do not care for Islam is evident, and to each their own, but do try and prove to me conclusively that a majority of Muslims want neither interfaith dialog nor interfaith tolerance, any less than adherents of other religions.
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Show me one muslim society, other than turkey which has given equal standing to its minority like the west or India. I dont care about Islam or muslims nor anyother religion but i care about me.
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People do not see it as the exception rather than the norm because they choose to focus on the "flashier and titillating exceptions".
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You can tell that to people in the west, having lived among both Hindu's, Christains and Muslims all my life, I see no difference between the intolerent brahmins of yesteryears to that of the muslims. Having a concept like ZAKAT ingrained in your books only confirms my belief in your true intentions, A muslim will always see me as a second-class human being because of my belief.
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It is no different in Muslim societies, where all the good the West has done, all the good their culture and society has achieved, is lost in the attention surrounding, and in some cases distortion of, certain events.
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Muslim societies in general hasnt grown in the level of west, West for all its crusades, colonization and jew-bashing is no longer that today, One cannot say the same for the islamic society. I have been to many middle-eastern countries and I do know how my people are treated there, and pakistani are even worse off. No brown skinned man will have to endure such humilation ever in the west, it might have happened in the past but not definitly now. And the way they humilate and scorn upon Hindu's(on the basis of their idol worship), christains and jews is unprecedented in the west and India.
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On the issue of the Ulema I would agree with you, they are stuck in a time warp, though more and more educated, worldly and moderate scholars are coming up and gaining popularity.
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The ulema is the mirror image of the people it serve and to be honest the new muslims are more radical than the old one's. So are the new ulema. The best example for this is United Kingdom.