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Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper
sorry to hear that- I usually take the time to listen to someones full opinion so I may make a fair assessment.
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I didn't need to waste another 2 or 3 minutes of my life to work out that the man was a whining middle aged Brit. Did it get any better?
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Interesting that he complained about Muslim medical practicioners & pharmacists refusing to offer a full range of services. Christian medical practicioners, hospitals & pharmacists do precisely the same thing in reguard to contraceptives & pregnancy termination.[/quote]
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I've never heard of a single incident of that (in the USA anyway) please enlighten me with an example.
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Gun Grape has done it for me (ta fella). What you have illustrated, however, is a somewhat depressing trend. You are able to recite chapter & verse the evils of Islam, but require a foreginer to bring to your attention abuses of power by religious zealots at home.
Indeed, having lectured me about getting someone's 'full opinion', you have demonstrated a less than full understanding of your own society. As someone who firmly believes in individual freedom I like to be aware of people who want to infringe it both at home & abroad. My personal freedom & that of others I know & care about is far more likely to be infringed by non-Muslims than by Muslims.
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I think its funny though how you call him a middle aged whiney guy, hangin out at the pub, griping about this and that. A little over 230 years ago Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and few of thier friends used to do much the same thing. Then others caught the same idea and it grew into a little something called the American revolution.
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Heavens preserve me. You want to compare yet another anti-Islam whinge to someone opposing the British Empire. Fine. Whatever rows your boat. There are some species of delusion too surreal to be argued against.
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Franklin once said "when injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty. Well I would call sharia(islamic law-forgive spelling if wrong) injustice.
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Any legal code based on religion is a form of oppression. Beyond that Sharia is no better or worse than any other - it just depends on who enforces it & how. Since very few of those who discuss Sharia have any meaningful understanding of it, I don't really see any point in attempting a debate here. I am yet to attain my qualifications in Islamic jurisprudence, how about you?
Just one point, when was the last time you heard someone launch a campaign against observant Jews or Catholics who allow religious courts & canon law to arbitrate key issues such as marriage, divirce, property settlement etc? Yet this goes on all ove the Western World. Muslims are actualy asking for no more than that.
A little exercise: Have a look at what people were saying about Jews & Catholics in the C19th & early-mid C20th and see if you can see any similarities with the way Muslims are portrayed today.
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I remember a wonderful speach given by your countrys PM awhile back, rejecting a call by muslims wanting it integrated into Aussie law. I think he put it-enough is enough, if you don't like it leave. Kudos to him and your countrymen for taking such a stand.
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Let me guess, you are a Churchill fan too? Deeply flawed political figures often seem more attractive to those not compelled to suffer their flaws up close.
I assume you are referring to our recently departed PM John Howard. I don't recall a specific speech, but after 10 years of putting up with him I feel I have an excuse.
Howard was a master of race baiting & stirring up division. Muslims were an easy target, but in his time he also opined against East asians, Indigenous Australians & Africans. He remained a supporter of Apartheid until its demise in the early 1990s. His government tried to refuse refugee status to East Timorese fleeing the genocidal Indonesian occupation by claiming they were legally Portugese citizens. Australia, of course, legally recognised the occupation.
You may well applaud him. I suspect history will take an altogether different view.