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Old 03-15-2008, 17:04 PM   #20 (permalink)
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define "offensive operations" as it has been stated in the contract,
here is the deal, you can not, hence its best to wait for the navy to come up with a answer.
I don't think the phrase "offensive operations" has been defined in the contract. It is pretty obvious what "offensive operations" are. The only case where there might be a doubt is whether to use the ship in UN operations.

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What Gorshkov? where is this ship? dont see it with the Indian Navy.

Utter subservience to a foreign power, hell yes it is, and you know why, because we do not have a indigenous industry, while we build towards it we have to do all of this, if you think the Russians are all "lets have Vodka, and sing and dance", wake up, its not the 1980s anymore.

Bloody hell, if they want to sell the ship on their terms, they are not making a secret out of it, and the Navy has accepted these terms which shows that they are not concerned about the security side of it, you should give them that much credit.
So because we don't have an indigenous industry, we should accept whatever terms any foreign supplier sets us? You don't mind such terms being set on us? When was the last time the Russians asked for a right to inspect our ships whenever they wanted, and when was the last time we allowed them to?

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if they had to buy it from us, they might have been in a tight s
You did not answer my question. Define "tight spot".


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What Russian transport ship?

We have nothing to gain by keeping the Americans or Russians happy, you seriously think the Americans are happy just because we payed them for a second hand ship?

We need military equipment and technology, that is just one part of the mutual relations picture.
So why is this the first time ever that India has bought an American ship? Do you think that the Americans never had any "military equipment and technology" in which we were interested before?

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- are we planning anymore nuclear tests?
- any added supplies we get are better than none?
- can we afford to have a seperate civilian and military nuclear program?
- are we planning to pass the nuclear weapons technology to other nations?
You shall find your own answers.
-Can you predict what we will be planning 10 years from now?
-Are added supplies of uranium enough to sacrifice the technological evolution of our nuclear stockpile and political independence?
-Not even an issue.
-Again, not an issue.

The issue is with us being able to keep our nuclear weapon technology up-to-date by subcritical testing. The US conducts sub-critical tests of nuclear weapons all the time, even now, as do the P-5. In India's case, they are trying to even prohibit India from conducting sub-critical tests. There's already sanctions in place to deny India supercomputers powerful enough to conduct simulations of nuclear tests, and India's current capability to do so on its own is unknown/unproven.

If we do sign the agreement, and in the future, feel the need to conduct nuclear tests, then we won't be able to, unless we're willing to risk cutting of uranium supplies to our power plants which might by then supply 10-15%% of our total energy. Large swathes of the country would be plunged in darkness and the billions of dollars of investment into those nuclear plants would go down the drain.

I'd like to refer you to this thorough discussion we had on the nuclear deal lst year:

A question about the nuclear deal

Please go through it, as the issues are discussed in details.
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