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Originally Posted by Stan187
No one else would tolerate what happens to Israel, but the standard is not supposed to be the same for them?
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Stan, India has in the past tolerated much worse; much higher caliber of terrorist attacks and many more civillians killed; yet we were still up till now
holding peace talks with the very man who planned an invasion of Indian territory in 1999. But lets even consider the Israeli strategy of 'giving it back'; have you faired any better then us in finishing off this problem?
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Either way they're seen as being wrong, perhaps they should just stop restraining themselves and just root out Palestinian terrorists with as much force as it takes.
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Yes, maybe they should. It makes perfect sense; attack once and get it over with. But its not going to happen; do you know why? Because the more you kill, the more will come. You are trying to kill off an ideology with guns. Bad idea. "You can kill a man, but you cannot kill an ideology." (quoting a fellow WAB member, don't exactly remember who (Ray?)). The point is to 'win hearts and minds'. Sounds impossible, I know, but its the only way there will ever be peace between Israelis and Arabs. Should get started on it right away.
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When Russia carpet bombs cities wholesale with civilians taking a lot of the heat, they claim it's their right, and barely a peep comes from the rest of the world.
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Palestine is not a Chechnya; its affects and repercussions are wider felt in regards to stability in the entire Middle East and from there it interlinks the conflict with the rest of the world.
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When Israel kills one civilian as a result of hitting a terrorist, they are damned for it even when they apologize and say that it is completely unintentional.
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No, it would not be an issue if it was only one civillian. It is not one civillian, but dozens; and even that would not make such a big fuss if it didn't keep happening over and over again.
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The Israeli government is by no means flawless, but it is also by no means being held to the same standards as everyone else by a whole lot of the world, which includes you and other individuals such as yourself.
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You are right, its not held to the same standards and I must apologize. Its just that I thought Israel was a more responsible actor in the Middle East, then its Arab counterparts.
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The situation is not at all comparable. When Pakistan magically appears on the border of the United States and begins encouraging terrorism against us but not taking responsibility for it, then we would probably act toward them harsher than Israel acts toward the Palestinians, and rightly so. So in that case, yes, Israel should learn from us.
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Replace the US with India. And even comparing Israel and India; I don't see at all how Israel's actions has put it in any less of a mess against terrorists.
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Would the US accept a 10 year ceasefire from Osama and let him build up his forces just attack in the next decade? Hell no! What a retarded idea!
Yes when Israel refuses to do so with Hamas, they're being uncooperative.
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Osama and Al-queda are not a political entity among a state populace. Hamas is. And it is a political and an ideological entity which has massive Palestinian support. How can you possibly wipe an ideology off the map with guns? I'm still baffled at the thought.
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I hope you're starting to see the trend, yet judging by your attitude, it does not appear so.
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Stan, 2 critical posts of Israeli action, and you have automatically determined my attitude towards all of Israel. What more can I say?