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Originally Posted by FOG3
You do realize that DD-532 USS Heermann sent the 65,000 ton super-battleship IJN Yamato into full retreat with a spread of 4 21" torpedoes that ended up bracketing the Yamato at the Battle of Sumar, right?
With the advent of true subs and smarter munitions, without sensors and smart munitions in play there's just subs and targets. 
Does anyone want to argue that one 1 Akula or German Type 209 hiding in the littorals isn't capable of taking out any BB, provided the Destroyers can be prevented from interfering.
Honestly the DD(X) is a modern battleship, unless you only count a battleship by pure tonnage in the Dreadnought and post Dreadnought age. The point of the Battleship was to dominate the battlespace, a capacity for which the Battleships were obsolete from their inception. It was the Destroyers keeping the Torpedo boats, and subs at bay that allowed it to even have the appearance of doing so.
With the technology refinements of AEGIS and other systems that DD(X) incorporates it finally realizes that purpose. |
Does anyone want to argue that one 1 Akula or German Type 209 hiding in the littorals isn't capable of taking out any BB, provided the Destroyers can be prevented from interfering.
Well for one a BB would not enter the littorials as they had in the Korean era. We have smaller boats do that. We also used countermeasures for topedoes such as Nixie and others. Always keep in mind wherever a BBG goes two subs are always there with eyes wide open. Also those subs could not close the range on the BB if she knows they are there. A homing torp from the Seasprite helo would spell disaster for any sub in shallow waters no matter where it hides. Plus if they were to put a BB back to sea one would have to assume that the helo would be carring the newest torp available probably a variant of the Mk 48 torpedo.
You could also bet those subs wont escape a DD or DDG in shallow waters nor any helo carring a homing torp.
Honestly the DD(X) is a modern battleship, unless you only count a battleship by pure tonnage in the Dreadnought and post Dreadnought age. The point of the Battleship was to dominate the battlespace, a capacity for which the Battleships were obsolete from their inception. It was the Destroyers keeping the Torpedo boats, and subs at bay that allowed it to even have the appearance of doing so.
The point of a battleship was to be an all weather, heavily armored, stable gun/weapons platform with redundant damage equipment from two times over to in some cases three times over. For a better part of the pacific island campaign where you found Destroyers you found PT's. The PTs' were there to attack all ships no matter the size. And further the DDX is very very far from even being close to a modern battleship in all senses of the word.
1) Multiple redundancy to damage.
2) All weather capability and sustainment.
3) Sustainability on station to not only herself but her battlegroup as well.
Weaponry and Armor wont be used for this discussion.