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rickusn · 10-22-2004, 19:06 PM

Well boys. There will probably never be more ships than there are now and probably less. OTOH they will be far more potent than ever before.

The new FFG is for all intents and purposes called LCS. Not what was envisioned actually but it will take over all the missions now performed by the FFGs, MHC/MCM, PC with the exception of blue water ASW. But I wouldnt be surprised if they try to fit that in too. How many?Who knows? 18 if DDX gets built 30 if not is a wild guess.

Carriers may fall to 11 because its unrealisticly optimistic to push the JFK to 2018.

There will be 22 Tico CG and 62 Burke DDG.

No BBs or anything resembling them.

DDX who knows but no more than a dozen at most.

OHP FFGs gone at the earliest opportunity. All they are now is glorified patrol helo carriers. No other weapons or sensors worth mentioning.

SSNs will drop if more are not refueled but probably not less than 40.

SSBNs will probably not drop below 14 in the short term. They are meant as a deterent not to be used. If they are used the world as we know it will cease to exist.

SSGNs four. LOL the new BB you were looking for. Make no mistake they can take out any surface ship that comes near them in fact at least four at a time without them ever knowing what hit them. A surface ship vs submarine is strictly no contest IMHO. Alas no 16" guns though.

No more than 36 LHA/LHD, LPD, LSD.

Dedicated mine warfare ships will eventually go the way of the Dodo bird. It all depends on LCS.

All AOE, AKE, AO, AS, ATF, ARS, AGOS, LCC, AGF will be if they already arent MSC crewed and in the case of the last five designations if they exist at all. In fact the LaSalle will, one of two AGFs, will be retired early next year after 41 years of service. The other AGF and both LCC will be 40 at the turn of the decade. AGOS mission has pretty much disappeared. And the USN already contracts out for much of its ATF/ARS capability and will try to pursue this further. The AS mission could well be transferred to land based facilities at some point.

The Logistic ships will settle at 28 to 34 depending alot on whether more AOEs are ever built.

240-60 ships is probably not unrealistic. Not that I like it much but all current indicators point to the staus quo(around 290-300) to far less not more.

But at this point its anybodies quess.

10-22-2004, 19:06 PM	#86 (permalink)
rickusn *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-09-03 Posts: 1,317	force structure Well boys. There will probably never be more ships than there are now and probably less. OTOH they will be far more potent than ever before. The new FFG is for all intents and purposes called LCS. Not what was envisioned actually but it will take over all the missions now performed by the FFGs, MHC/MCM, PC with the exception of blue water ASW. But I wouldnt be surprised if they try to fit that in too. How many?Who knows? 18 if DDX gets built 30 if not is a wild guess. Carriers may fall to 11 because its unrealisticly optimistic to push the JFK to 2018. There will be 22 Tico CG and 62 Burke DDG. No BBs or anything resembling them. DDX who knows but no more than a dozen at most. OHP FFGs gone at the earliest opportunity. All they are now is glorified patrol helo carriers. No other weapons or sensors worth mentioning. SSNs will drop if more are not refueled but probably not less than 40. SSBNs will probably not drop below 14 in the short term. They are meant as a deterent not to be used. If they are used the world as we know it will cease to exist. SSGNs four. LOL the new BB you were looking for. Make no mistake they can take out any surface ship that comes near them in fact at least four at a time without them ever knowing what hit them. A surface ship vs submarine is strictly no contest IMHO. Alas no 16" guns though. No more than 36 LHA/LHD, LPD, LSD. Dedicated mine warfare ships will eventually go the way of the Dodo bird. It all depends on LCS. All AOE, AKE, AO, AS, ATF, ARS, AGOS, LCC, AGF will be if they already arent MSC crewed and in the case of the last five designations if they exist at all. In fact the LaSalle will, one of two AGFs, will be retired early next year after 41 years of service. The other AGF and both LCC will be 40 at the turn of the decade. AGOS mission has pretty much disappeared. And the USN already contracts out for much of its ATF/ARS capability and will try to pursue this further. The AS mission could well be transferred to land based facilities at some point. The Logistic ships will settle at 28 to 34 depending alot on whether more AOEs are ever built. 240-60 ships is probably not unrealistic. Not that I like it much but all current indicators point to the staus quo(around 290-300) to far less not more. But at this point its anybodies quess. Last edited by rickusn : 10-22-2004 at 21:02 PM.