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Originally Posted by maqsad
The vast majority of Americans, and indeed perhaps westerners, have been conditioned to believe that Afghanistan is a medieval society which is a hotbed of terrorism
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Thats exactly what it was under the Taliban.
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and if these people are not invaded, occupied and "civilized" or killed off then it's going to be hell on earth for the west.
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"These people" again refers to the Taliban. It is not the Americans running Afghanistan, it is the Afghans!
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The "very very great feeling" that Karzai claims America has for Afghans are likely meant to be the above reasons which are supposedly motivating the American nation to continue to occupy Afghanistan since he insists Osama is nowhere in Afghanistan.
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Can you rephrase that? It doesn't make sense. I would think the US would want to be where Osama is.
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Karzai also dropped a hint one of the benefits of the US occupation is that the Pak-Saud taliban caliphate was kicked out and secular democracy restored.
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How untrue is that?
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You have liberals, conservatives, right wingers, nationalists, leftist globalists, atheists, pan-secularists if there is such a word consisting of zealots who want to bring "democracy" to every corner of the globe in a fashion similar to a missionary does.
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If that statement were true, Pakistan would have been invaded decades ago. America has befriended many dictators all over the world; Saddam was also one of them.
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Now each one of these groups have regular, customized propaganda morsels dished out to them through the various individual "competing" media outlets which serve their regular news along with war propaganda which can consist of stories about how important it is to build secular institutions in Kabul for the pan-secularist,
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Whats wrong with secular institutions? I'm guessing you're not a big fan of democracy and secularism?
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the atheist will come across some good news with regards to some madrassa being replaced by a coed kindergarten
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I have still got to see that one!
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and feminists will delight in stories where burka clad women have been "liberated" from lives as beasts of burden and can function in society on equal terms.
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Not yet. Much work is still needed, women can only be on equal terms when the economical situation in Afghanistan improves.
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Very very seldom is it that one sees any respect for the indiginous values of the Afghan people.
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Indiginous values of Afghans are not in suppressing people and running a society based on fear. Those are the values of the Taliban, please do not try to apply them on all Afghanis.
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The emphasis is on forcing change and remodelling the place top down and bottom up to be nice and civilized and compliant and whoever resists this glorious mission will die.
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Why? You do not wish to see Afghanistan improve into a modern progressive nation?
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They are hated now in Iran also but do have some amount of respect in Pakistan partly because the western half of Pakistan is almost a clone copy, culturally , topographically, linguistically and even genetically speaking of Eastern Afghanistan.
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Iran hates the Taliban, not all of Afghans. Iran played a good role in helping the Northern Alliance overthrow the Taliban. And as for Afghanis themselves, they are hated/loved the same in both Iran and Pakistan simply due to the mass refugees from Afghanistan. Plenty of times has Pakistan called the Afghanis living within its borders a "burden".
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This contempt is growing in Pakistan, partly due to the Pakistani media's exploitation of the negative side effects of terrorism that is blamed on Afghanistan and NWFP/Baloch based separatist groups. Needless to say American media has also capitalized on and fuelled contempt against "the bad ones in Afghanistan" especially since 911.
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You are a Taliban supporter I presume?